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QueueQ Premades – What have they taught you

I participate in QueueQ  premades run on Bloodlust Battlegroup every now and then,  Staying in Bloodlust Battlegroup was an important thing to me when I transferred my main because I like the battlegroup, it’s been pretty much the only battle group I know and my win/loss ratio has never caused me ongoing issues. It also means I get to do premades on the big bg weekends still.

 I have more time to BG now I am guildless, and not raiding and because I like participating in organised content I have been doing more premades.  So the AV long weekend, and IOC long weekend  have been good opportunities for some Honor, and some Honor Kills.

By participating in a  dungeon raid, you learn about the encounter, what effects are likely to occur, the behaviour of the boss, and the mechanics of the fight. Participating in  QueueQ organised premades have given me  a little more insight into the tactics within the battleground.

It’s not just about listening to what your told. Or having the power to move a mass of bodies quickly.  Most QueueQ’s will explain the strat if there is a lull.  Why you do not cap that point ( so you can control where they rez) . Why you stay at the back of the tower and not hang out on the ledge. ( so you can’t be gripped off ect ) ,   Some of the stuff is common sense, but other stuff the average pvper does not think about  or even has the power to suggest or control.  One little voice screaming in BG chat – DON”T CAP THAT gets ignored. One  voice in a vent channel with 40 odd other people saying Don’t cap that is more likely to be listened to. ( accept if its a  damn pug )

One of the first big differences you notice in a AV Queque premade is that everyone always goes left of Belinda.  Quite simply –  it’s a shorter route. I’m not sure how it was measured, but it ‘feels’s shorter  In a normal BG the crowd always follows the road to the right.  I am surprised given the popularity of the QueueQ premades in Bloodlust, especially on an AV weekend, and the likelihood that I am not the only person who does the premades,that sometimes gets AV for my daily random BG, that this little alteration to the herd like sheep norm hasn’t been adopted in non premade AV’s.  You can tell who remembers their ‘training’ in an Normal AV, and your lucky if you get 2 or three going left.

Because the standard Alliance AV strat in a normal BG is a Zerg  – it’s funny how everyone is happy to run as fast as they can to the end,  cap  Relief Hut,  cap the towers, jump off the towers, and then jump and down or dance on ‘Fail’hill’   That little hill outside the entrance.  It’s a nice little hill to play on while your waiting. Stand on there though, and the horde sneaking into the towers to recap have enough time to cap it before you realise what’s happening.   This is another strat/ piece of common sence that is drummed into you in a premade – yet I rarely see practised in a normal BG.

In IOC this weekend I learned all about the benefit of not defending the workshop. You get more demos when you take the flag back.  Stuff like that – Tactics, communication, and teamwork. In a non premade  It’s rare you see someone warn the rest of the BG about the health of our gate. Or the progress of the hordes gate.  Direct all demos to one gate, get people to think about where they park it to avoid damage when firing, and so hard to get people to read chat in a normal.

Most Pvp is people running around like chickens with their head cut off. Participating in Pug Raids/BG’s  still means you may get to kill stuff, but being part of organised, regular content,  being it Pve/Pvp means you learn a lot more – think a lot more and the given win a lot more.  

I am looking forward to Rated BG’s – we will see how I go. I would like to be involved in a regular group to BG, and I hope QueueQ does something server-based ( if possible)

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The battle has ended – This battleground will close in 2 min

Have you ever stayed at a club long enough to get kicked out? It’s kind sad – you never want to be the first to arrive to a empty dance floor ( unless your there to stake the pool tables out) and nor do you want to be the last to leave,  kicked out by the bouncer. It’s just not kool.

Once a BG ends no one stays around that 2 min to gloat,  or cheer about a victory. You may have just overcome the worst odds to achieve greatness with awesome teamwork, proven the naysayers wrong ” Omg no one here is over 5k GS – we are going to lose.”  ( well we won that one one anyway *blows raspberry) but no one gets to cheer about  the victory – everyone has already left.

Often there is no warning you are about to achieve a victory – you still locked in combat – when suddenly your dots stop ticking,  your weapons  return to their sheaths  and  your combat embrace freezes, and the  battle has ended score chart fills up your screen. It’s too late to even say “Hey awesome job guys!”  No one is there to see.

Hello!

Is there anyone out there..

Somebody…
Please…

You have won, or lost, and you leave as quickly as possible.

You see a sports team after a victory patting each other on the back, engaging in manly hugs that don’t touch fronts  – or some jumping around big smiles on their faces.

When we win a battleground,  there is no time for expressions of joy and elation. We slink off to our own realms stoic. Ho hum..

Would more people Pvp if they could get a sense of accomplishment from it?

I still think its kind of amazing how quickly a flock of sheep players who don’t know each other, can work together to achieve a goal, and victory.  Sometimes it just works – you click together as a team, and sometimes it doesn’t  and enough finger pointing happens in the game that 2 more minutes with those people isn’t going to accomplish anything. On those rare occasions when you do have that perfect synergy.  It’s sad when it ends. Because they are the battles I look forward to, and hope to find in the myriad of crap.

It’s a shame we  don’t have the option to keep the same team going into another battle, much like we can do in LFG’s

This sentiment is because between now and Cata I’ll be in BG’s a lot .   Raw gems still sell well, and I am 36500 odd honor kills away from  “Of the Alliance”  I might see how much of a dent I can make in it in the next few weeks because I am running out of things I want to do.

I am back to holy priest healing in BG’s again in a mix of Pve/Pvp healing gear  cause I am working on the theory that healers following people who need healing means that they are killing things   = more Honor kills. Means I am being productive in a BG without HK farming the in the middle.  Grrrrrr.    I tried doing some more Av Premades,  the honor was awesome, the Hk’s not so, and it sounds kind of bad but the best thing for Hk’s is a Av Turtle, but yes the object of the BG is to win first.  Hk’s 2nd.

Diary of a WSG Grave Yard Camp escapee

Rez 1Surrounded by the enemy!  Oh Noes!  Quick Buff Fort…….. *runs Forward.  Stunned Slammed dead.

Rez 2 –  (15 secs  to Rez ) * If I can sneak to the edge – and slip over the side.  Closer … Closer..   Darn!  Timer reset  (30 secs to Rez)

Rez 2.5 Waits impatiently for rez timer.  PING! Vroommm..    Over the side she’s running,   hot on her tail are a Shammy and a hunter’s pet.  She fears the pet and she’s running, yes she is running clear! down her right side Mage pops out, and she’s frozen folks.  Shes frozen in place,   She trinkets out, and she’s off,   running with a renew ticking and a shield on,  but her health is dropping, it’s so close! and she hits disperse  folks!  did you see that! with just hundreds of health  left and she’s safe for 6 secs !  Yes she’s safe.

Shes dead.

Rez 3  ( 3 secs to rez)   PING!   She casts fear. Slowed by a totem ( audible Audience Sigh)  and she runs in slow motion to that edge and Just..  Can’t…. Make… It…….

Dead.

Rez 4.  ( 7 secs to Rez) Nenah Cherry Lyrics  in her head. “7 seconds away Just as long as I stay.  I’ll be waiting.”   Dead. They were waiting all right.

Rez 5.  Fears, runs,  Heals, shields,  disperse is off cool down, pots, trinkets,

Dead.

Rez 6 .  The Shivers Start.  The uncontrollable urge to cry, PING! “/s Don’t hurt me!’

Dead

Rez 7. Collapses in a pile of quivering mess

Dead

Rez 8.   Frack this.    /Leave BG

Dead

Yes I died in Stormwind with a million debuffs and dots on me.

5 (Not 6) reasons not to kill someone in a BG

In a Battleground, you see the enemy, the red tag indicating a target, and the hunter in you unfurls,  your animalistic instinct to fight rises, nostrils flare, adrenalin pumps through your body, pupils dilate, and your hand grips your mouse in fevour, your focus becomes narrow.

You want to chase them down –   You want to feel the last dregs of their health taken away by your spell, your weapon swipe – and hear their final cry as their pixels collapse at your feet in a heap.

*snap

That was the sound of the elastic from your BG Blinkers smacking into the back of your head 

Sometimes not killing someone is strategically better.

So here are some reasons not to kill someone in a BG – Ignore them, or CC them instead.

1. They will rez full health and mana – quite possibly in several seconds and only a few feet away.

2. Your’re paying attention to them rather than doing what you should be doing. Look! your flag just ran past, or the tower just capped under your nose.

3.  They have no mana anyways. ( doesn’t mean that they aren’t dangerous,  just that another target could be more deserving of your attention)

4. They are actually AFK standing in the flag room.  Killing them might wake them up that something important has been going on, and that they need to pay attention. An afk enemy is one less person you have to deal with, and one more than for the enemy to get frustrated over.

5. CC pee’s people off more – encourages them to play irrationally.   Sheeped, Turtled, Catted,  Slowed,  Frozen.

6. You stop getting decent honor on kills if they keep dying so much and you try to farm them.

Edited as per below comment about DR.  I would swear..  that I read something about Hk’s getting DR

I tried to come up with 8   – didn’t quite work.

Us v Us : The Real battle in a BG

It’s been coming all the more clearer with the amount of Pvping I am doing,  that the biggest battle in a BG is not with the opposite faction,  it’s with your own team.

It’s not just the people who are unsure what they are doing, don’t know how to play.  It’s the semi premades   doing their own thing,  the afkers,  the whiners,  the hecklers.    I have been all of the above except the Afker.  It’s a battle to find that synergy between your needs and wants and that of the BG, and this can be more so seen in a 10 man per side WSG then the other Bg’s

There was a semi premade in a Bg this weekend – afking in the enemy flag room – I get there to see them all standing round,  doing nothing.  Sighing I grab the flag and try and run back failing – I die. Rez and go back again.   Pick up the flag amongst a group of three still standing there and start running again.

Bring it back” – I get a whisper from one of the afkers.
Huh?”
The flag bring it back – we are doing achievement
Tough” I say and keep running
F&*^K you

The little group of premades started abusing us – the rest of the Bg for not helping them in doing their achievement. At no time did they ask or inform us of their plan, or try and get the rest of the Bg in on it – Co-operation would have been better. They didn’t even try.

“It’s my thing” said one when we quizzed him how his self interest was helping the bg – and that affectively they were being as bad as the Afker we had already reported, and was a red dot following random people all over WSG
“Making sure you fail is going to be my thing” I say.

Well they failed, and we lost the BG. I didn’t feel satisfied. I wasted a BG – no rep – bare honor. I was being snarky – My goal is 19k more rep. My Armory may not show it, but I’m into the Revered bracket, and now 19k away from exalted. ( yeah for WSG holiday weekend) My goal is my ultimate thing. My thing goes along with the general consensus of the BG thing. Win. We win – we get rep – I am happy.
Their thing went against the general consensus of the BG thing. They interfered with the goals of the 7 other players in the Bg, and there was enough of them to affectively throw the match in the pursuit of their goal. If there were 8 or 9 of them going after the achievement – sucks to be the other players – majority rules – but when they weren’t a signficant part of the group I think they were unfairly affecting the goals and purpose of the other players.

If everyone did their own thing in a BG – there is no team work – and a massive decrease in the chances of winning.

If your going to do achievements that involve ruining the game of the other players.  Stop and consider going to the effort of getting up a proper premade group to do it. 

Cheers to the people who read this – and who suffered through some of those WSG’s with me this weekend.

BG raging.

 

What are the chances that the people who pee me off in Bg’s read blogs?

So if your in Bloodlust – Yes you!  You might have pee’d me off at some point,  ( maybe I pee’d you off too)

If you tell people to give up.   If you go standing in a corner afk because “you have done your bit” and now you can’t be bothered. If you let the healer go get the flag, ( on her own)   and let her run it almost all the way back to the the tunnel ( still on her own)  in WSG all the while 9 other people are still fighting in the middle.  Make racist comments in chat because you think people fail.  Don’t wear Pvp gear and think it’s ok, and then complain why you die so fast. follow someone so no one notices that your Afk. Tell someone to drop the flag so you can pick it up in the middle of a group of horde players and then wonder why we lose it! Don’t cap lets honor farm them.  

^^ Yes that unsightly mess is intentional.  It’s all been said before,  nothing I will say or post will change peoples attitudes – I just needed to vent. 

I got to Bg with my friend from my old realm – (but same battlegroup ) last night,  in the same manner that the x realm premades are doing.  Entering next available at the same time, and checking to make sure we both got it. It was easy with two,  I wonder if it could be done with 3 or 4 people cross realms. 

He was a Pally  flag runner, and I was his healer.  It worked quite well  some of the time.  

I do think however  there needs to be a Bg add on that like a  ” Your standing in the fire” message  instead making it  ” Your fighting in the middle for longer then 30 secs” and a big MOVE!!!

One of the things that is drummed into people in these AV premades that I have been doing is the importance of being in the right place.  Not stopping to help people who chose to fight in the roads. ( Even Lol at them as we ride past)  They are distractions to keep us from the main objective.  The leaders voice is a constant reminder not to get stuck in tunnel vision.

I guess it’s easy to be caught in tunnel vision in a bg,   Rez jump off the cliff into the waiting horde. Die,  and do it all again.   As a healer your more likely to follow that crowd off the cliff because that’s where the people who need healing are, as a holy priest healer in a Bg the times I have gone off on my own breaking from this tunnel vision  I have failed to accomplish anything but another futile attempt at trying to get to their flag room without help. Appeals for people to get out of the middle, or for help fall on deaf ears. 

I have not forsaken my Shadow Spec, but I don’t seem to be putting out the damage in Bg’s as Shadow,  I am also chasing the 50k kill count achievement because it looks possible ( 8k left to go) and I am working on the theory that healers near the action get more Hk’s 

Also of note:  – I am guilded again,  only as a casual – I get to do my own thing – it works for me now, but I am feeling a little itchy at the idea of not having a raiding committment.  I am also blogging more – I guess that means I am happier – and or have more stuff to say..  

 

Premade- X realm Av’s: Resistance is futile

While waiting for a friend to finish a fail Toc 25 Run I logged into the vent of the premade AV group that we are seeing being organised a fair bit in trade channel.  Getting people from our Battlegroup, Bloodlust into a vent, and organising a premade by all getting into the same AV Queue.

I had never done it before,  and I was getting a little confused.

“If it doesnt pop for you get into  vent chat”  ?  Huh ?  Why?  and I see some peoples  name change on vent to ( C) in front..    Oh 

“Afk Check – Change your note to   “

“Que in 1, 2, 3″

I managed to follow them for one BG – and then failed by not understanding the bit about not entering untill we checked how many people didnt get it,  and  me  hitting enter BG when the wrong number popped for most people. So I left the vent, and  spent the next half hour in a fail AV.

I had another go later and it all made so much more sence.  I now knew what standing on the lamp post meant  ( to identify how many in the BG were pugs)  The strat was getting familiar and the premade raid leader shooting off commands like a machine gun.  The best leader was a Woman who I swear had the battle map engraved in her brain in real time.

These people were professionals.

    “Groups 1 & 2 go..   Recallers go now…   Get back on the choke point.  Don’t stand on fail hill  ( you know that hill outside drek that people always bounce around on while waiting to go into Drek – well that is fail hill and I will never stand on it again)   “Go left of Belinda its the fastest way Do not stop for anyone,  do not help anyone,  do not stand near the edge of a tower you will get pulled off and die ect.  “

It wasn’t about achievements, it was about maximizing honor, and was still a lot of fun  ( it’s always fun to win)

Does the fun of a BG change when it’s organised? – It was awesome to be involved in such a well orchestrated premade of that scale, and yes by being ‘lead’  we succeeded in every BG we went into,  firstly because we had firm leadership or more so a ‘leader’  that didn’t just post a strat on start up, and then not maintain control and also  that everyone in that channel was there to win, and willing and open to being lead.   If you didn’t do what you were told,  there was the threat of being kicked, and rightly so.  You are doing this premade to take instructions and contribute to the success of the group.    Any  gung ho – I’m gonna do what I want thing is a threat to that sucess.

On the down side the premade was imposing itself on the randoms that managed to slip in with us, and the sheer number of us,  meant that we were really playing our own game and they could either go along for the ride and win,  or they could try and fight against the maelstrom of our army.  Might this affect the enjoyment of their game?  It could.  Did we care?   Nope.

 

 


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