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WSG: now designed for a Better Farm.

Why did they lower the Graveyards / Rez points in WSG? – I am yet to see how this benefits either side in anyway,  it is just making it easier for the opposition to farm.

One of my pet hates in BG’s is farming,  if you are in a position to farm then well you have already won the battle, and now your just torturing players.

The position of the Graveyards now,  halfway down the walls  from where they used to be prior to Patch 4.1 means you can’t escape from a GY farm in WSG

If you control the position my hunter is standing in the pic below,  you control the whole entire GY.  Before, when it used to be up top,  you could avoid it, by running alone the edge of the fence on the top,  and jump down over the tunnel entrance,  running off to the far side and sneaking down,  or even running  down the ramp.   You had a better chance of getting away.

Now the area you have to ‘defend’ to farm is much smaller, and there is no way to get away from a farm.

In addition

Pets of what seems to be all the pet classes can get up there,    Warriors with  charge,    Rogues can shadow step?, Druids can pounce,   ( have I missed any class?) and once they are up there in the enemy graveyard,  they can pick off the rezers as they rez in 2′s or threes which means it gets harder to launch a real defense.

I can’t imagine this was the Pvp that Blizz had in mind when they decided to make that change, and the only reason I can think of was to reduce potential fall damage from jumping off the GY ( hit the slant on the rock and didn’t take any)

I’ve been playing my hunter a little more and gearing her up for Pvp . The 4.1 Hunter changes gave her a bit of a damage boost,  and and I am in love with her helm from the  ilevel 352 Bloodthirsty gladiators gear.

“Do what you want, ‘cause a pirate is free,
YOU ARE A PIRATE!”

I shall not get into the practicality of  a permanent eyepatch on a hunter.  ( but it still looks pretty cool)

She also managed to find the prettiest spider in all of Azeroth  from Darkshire. Everyone else seems to have Ugly black and brown spiders,  and the first one I found when looking for a spider was the girliest / sigh    – but me and Zip have grown attached to Squeeky  ( yes that was deliberate )  I picked up a nasty habit of using the term “Squee”  and it  seemed to fit.

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Can’t Shoot the Orphan

Said one person in our Bg

But just imagine if you could! It would be a new achievement ” Keep your Orphan alive for a whole bg”.  You could get a super heal,  or even maybe arm your orphan with a special ability,  like making opponents fall down in a heap of giggles for 3 sec. ( I’m sure that would go down better than if you actually gave them weapons)

It’s children’s week again,  and the school of hard knocks achievement is back interfering in my BG’s.  I felt strongly about it last year.

This year it only popped up in the last few hours of Sunday night Pvp  as some of the realms started ticking over to children’s week.  So I haven’t had to have a go at many people yet, and rage at them.  It probably helped that in the BG’s we played there was 5 of us in a semi premade,  and we didn’t rouse on the achievement mongers too much because we brought some people in who wanted the achieve.

It doesn’t work so much if the whole team wants the achieve, and the entire bg is spent in gesticulated conversions and ” such and such makes a strange gesture at you”  when trying to communicate with the Horde that you promise not to kill them as long as they voluntarily drop the flag.

It might be a good idea,  as some people suggested to me last year.  Just to avoid the BG’s for the week.

It was kind of funny because in one,  one person was trying to do Frenzied defender ( 5 returns in one bg) while others were trying to the single return for the Orphan, and then someone else wanted Ironman.  ( 3 flag caps)  So who’s achievement was more important?

That particular system really discourages you from working with your own team. Your first goal is to satisfy your own achievement needs. Wants,  desires – whatever.

My needs were simple. WIN!

This year, my argument of you doing premades to get the achievement is kind of not as possible because you can only do 5 man semi premades now, and besides the other team still needs to be co-operating and not kill you.

I think I might just avoid BG’s because really,  what would I do in them? If I tried to kill horde my team mates would yell at me for interfering with their achievement,  I could hope to find others like me, there to pvp and band together against the scourge Plague of Orphans,  I could find a nice spot to waste my time, like dancing in the GY while I waited for each side to drop their respective flags, and return them.

I could start a campaign to boycott Bgs untill it’s over,  then all that will be left in them will be people fighting over the achievement.

“LET ME RETURN THE FLAG,  NO LET ME…… IT’S MY TURN!!!!!!

*blah* leaves Bg ( having completed achieve)

*blahblah* enters Bg – ” Hi! I want to do the achievement”

*blahblah* returns flag

*Bip* OMG THE NOOB TOOK MY RETURN

*blahblah* leaves the Bg

I have acquired Portal 1 which may keep me occupied enough to not get the urge to Pvp for the week.

Freeze! I’m a frost mage – Here, have a iceblock.

While doing some rated BG’s last night with our fightclub, and swapping to my newly minted 85 frost mage - who managed to rack up 1.4 resil  – I realised I had replaced my dispelling machine ( priest) with a Freezing in place machine and in comparison to the other better geared pvpers who didn’t spend their time using 5 freezing abilities on cool down – I wasn’t doing as much damage.

Why is there no CC counter?
I froze  ** players in place
I slowed  ** players
I sheeped  **
** got caught in my Frozen circle
Lots n Lots of Ice.
Frozen Circle
Frost Nova
My Pets freeze  – that I can manually force
Cone of Cold,
Deep Freeze
I thought playing a mage I would be able to enjoy this hahah all I have to do is pew pew – but no I’m expected to decurse, and CC everything to the max – and only then after I have blinked away away from the bladestorming warrior can I take the time to spend 2.3 seconds casting a single target spell.

I swapped back to my Priest for a couple and ended up baby sitting nodes, and I learnt that yes you can mass dispel your team through 3 frost circles. It just takes a lot of mana – and they still don’t accomplish much because all it does is mass dispel that current block, and they get reblocked all over again – in theory I would have probably been more useful dpsing and tying up the mages, and leaving my team frozen till the circles despawned

My mage is my Herber/Alchemist who was leveled for the purpose of  flash supplier for my raiding - and I just hadn’t gotten into her – probably my most lack luster leveling experience 1-80  ever. But lately I want to play my mage. Once I hit 82 I was herbing by flying to places I couldn’t get ports to, doing my circles, and making my gatherer map a pretty illustration of flowers. Then I queued a couple of times for dungeons  – partly as a way to get gear – and just to see how I went.  Then started going into BG’s – realizing I wasn’t doing too badly.

And then…

We did a Rated 15 last week, and they had 5 frost mages.  5 Frost circles that block bridges.

I wanted one

and thus I became motivated to  get my mage to 85

Never fear, the priest has my heart, however in rated BG’s your class composition  seems to have a massive affect with how you stack the raid, much like arena composition -  and its all about locking people up.

 

 

I get knocked down – and then I ghost out

I was queuing solo for WSG and most of the BG’s had a premade component to them.

There was 6 from one realm ( they qued  doing a ‘pop’   – all enter at once to bypass the 5 man restriction)  who demanded I go heals.  I have come a long way from the refusing to heal for people.  But Holy in BG’s in painful even when you know your team has your back.  Spurting out some flashes and renews only to be stampeded by the opposing team is not my idea of fun for a complete bunch of strangers.  1.3 resil in a Pvp dps spec, and all the wonderful trappings and stuns, silences and fears  I have,  I was better off staying in Shadow,  and healing if someone  needed -  and they did have hybrids on their own team.  After asking them – why they que’d as premades without heals,  I told them no.  ” I let them down” apparently.

There was a premade from Kilrogg that managed to get 7 in  and they all ghosted out when they found themselves getting farmed by a superior horde team- as per the above Screenshot.  Take my word for it that it wasn’t just a bad rez timer.  Yes stupid me went for the flag anyway – it was better than being a spirit ball ghosting out. I gave the premade some choice words  – eg ” You’re a premade – why aren’t you trying?”  To which most of them responded ”  It’s to0 hard..  or we are gonna lose anyway..   and the BEST response ever to my “See you in the bottom 5% of rated” was  “Your wrong – there will be people worse than we are”

I told them they had an opportunity to try different stats,   and not stand in the GY getting farmed.  If I could sneak over every time.  Down the ramp,  over the tunnel,  so could some of them if they had tried.

I’ve been a farmer.  It’s a strat that works.  Keep them in the GY.  This only works if the team is stupid enough to stay in the GY. So yes it works often – don’t be stupid.  Think outside the GY.

I was perusing a guilds recruitment website the other day, and one of the questions was a long the lines of picking a song that represents your attitude to progression, and wiping has always been the realm of PVE,  and Arena,  and now it will be BG’s as well.

The best song that comes to mind for me is the chorus to Tubthumping

I get knocked down
But I get up again
You’re never going to keep me down

Or because I remember the hours, and the deaths of Progression dying -  Stone Sours  Made of Scars

Yeah, cut right into me
Yeah because I am made of Scars
Yes I am made of scars

Getting knocked down, and collecting a few battle scars has always been the way progression goes. I’ve done it in Pve

and in Pvp

If you want to go places you need to die few times.  Get back up,  try again,  and do it differently.  They would have felt so much more better if they had worked as a team instead of Ghosting out.

It’s a small battlegroup after all.

Guess who I ran into this weekend,  Gnomeaggedon from Armaggedon’s comming well actually his alt Squidly while doing some Bging.

I think my battlegroup is getting smaller.  In the premades  not only am I running into ex flatmates,  ( pre wow days ) and ex guildys,  but bloggers too!

Then someone recognized me while in a BG and said Hi.   so Hi back to Caffinated :)

Though speaking of Gnome,   he has a guest spot on a  Podcast up with Obscurecast because he is a fire Mage, and the UK was celebrating Guy Fawkes day where they get to make things catch fire, so Pewter from The Mental Shaman, and Gazimoff from Manaobscura interviewed Gnomeaggedon, so go have a listen.

and another  very important thing..   Gnome talks about betraying the Alliance if the opportunity was provided, and as a fellow Alliance player I have  to register my protest,  I mean I have fought besides him in a battlefield,  to then having to kill him,  I would no longer be able to pvp if I was forced to kill little gnomes! Following Thrall does have its appeal,  for an orc I think he is a little hunky, and charming, and seems to be a good leader,  and even though I have to fault him a little for his um thing with Jaina,  I’ve yet to change factions for a man  ( though for thrall I would consider it briefly..    but Gnome..  the Taurens would only use you to play gnomeball punting   don’t go…

What is fun.

I realised I probably have mentioned “Having fun” too many times lately.  I could just be saying” It’s all fun” because if I say  it enough I can convince myself that I am having fun, but no there are still things I am genuinely feeling ‘gleeful’ about. So I should explain.

I enjoy a challenge, however,  fun,  rip snorting,  unbridled passionate glee that brings out a very predator nature in myself.

That is currently Pvp at the moment for me - it aint got nothing on no boss kill.

As much as I like winning ( and I need those HK’s 73k/100k Hk’s for “Of the Alliance title” ) It’s not fun beating on people more than a few times when your obviously the superior  party. When we are winning I don’t stand underneath the graveyard often for the farm. I’m on my bike slightly midfield looking for escapees, or as I called out the other night. ” They are leaking!”

I love hunting down errant strays that try to escape the initial zerg clean up. I have fun locking you up as you try to sneak up the side.   I will mindvision you to see what corner you are hiding in,  if you’re comming down tunnel or graveyard, and I will hunt you down, and  eat into your health pool. It makes me feel powerful, like a goddess, holding a squishy bug in the palm of your hands. I AM SHADOW PRIEST  HEAR ME………..

“ow!”

*falls to the ground as someone  kicks my pedestal out from under me

This special ‘fightclub’  ( can I talk about fight club?)  of a chat channel that was lucky enough to get invited to is cross guild /includes randoms like myself,  and when a call to arms ” Who wants to do WSG” gets asked.

“me!”

I get more from  the challenge of a good game where they fight back,  and queqing as a server based premade means that your more likely to face full, or partial premades, and we have had some awesome games because of it.  Fun for me  has never been about getting top damage, or killing blows, or honor farming.   It’s using all your tools of your party at your disposal, Dps, heals, dispels, cc – being an intricate web of destruction and communication. 

Of course  I don’t always win a 1v1 - I don’t have much arena skill, and most of my arena experience was done as disc, but I am doing ok, its also been good to know as well when you need help your team will come running and vice versa.

The irony is that most of these people doing the server based premades are from pve guilds, and I have seen more requests for retro runs from people in my guild then pvp requests and we are supposed to be a pvp guild.  Maybe when cata comes out it will all be sorted out.

Why Shadow Priest Pvp is awesome.

We have a Shield

We give back Mana ( replenishment)

We give back Health ( Ve and DP)

We have a slow ( mindflay)

We have Fear

We have disarm( Horrify)

We have Silence.

We have a stun ( Paralysis) when we crit with Mindblast

We have MS ( healing reduction)   ( Mindblast)

We can  dispel ( HAHA pallys and mages)

We have a pet ( Fiend)

We can have party’s ( Shadowy apparitions AND if you click on them they talk to you.  I will never be lonely again!)

We have balls. ( Shadow Orbs)   ( that means we are brave Yar… )

We are smoking hot. ( come on have you seen the emissions from our shadow form)

Am recovering from a little bit of a Pvp high sorry.  Have been doing server based premades( no ques or waiting rooms)  with a friends guildies and their friends for the last week, and I has me some even more awesome pvp gear and even a weapon.  ( Just can’t get those shoulders.. )

I respec’d into a Shadow Pvp Spec, and got a lot of awesome things to play with which I will probably write more about after I finish chasing down this pally,

bubble will you.  0.466 mass dispel – Bubble gone.

Heal? Hey!..   Silence

Running away.  Horrify

Running away again. Fear

….    I am having lots of fun.

QueueQ Premades – What have they taught you

I participate in QueueQ  premades run on Bloodlust Battlegroup every now and then,  Staying in Bloodlust Battlegroup was an important thing to me when I transferred my main because I like the battlegroup, it’s been pretty much the only battle group I know and my win/loss ratio has never caused me ongoing issues. It also means I get to do premades on the big bg weekends still.

 I have more time to BG now I am guildless, and not raiding and because I like participating in organised content I have been doing more premades.  So the AV long weekend, and IOC long weekend  have been good opportunities for some Honor, and some Honor Kills.

By participating in a  dungeon raid, you learn about the encounter, what effects are likely to occur, the behaviour of the boss, and the mechanics of the fight. Participating in  QueueQ organised premades have given me  a little more insight into the tactics within the battleground.

It’s not just about listening to what your told. Or having the power to move a mass of bodies quickly.  Most QueueQ’s will explain the strat if there is a lull.  Why you do not cap that point ( so you can control where they rez) . Why you stay at the back of the tower and not hang out on the ledge. ( so you can’t be gripped off ect ) ,   Some of the stuff is common sense, but other stuff the average pvper does not think about  or even has the power to suggest or control.  One little voice screaming in BG chat – DON”T CAP THAT gets ignored. One  voice in a vent channel with 40 odd other people saying Don’t cap that is more likely to be listened to. ( accept if its a  damn pug )

One of the first big differences you notice in a AV Queque premade is that everyone always goes left of Belinda.  Quite simply –  it’s a shorter route. I’m not sure how it was measured, but it ‘feels’s shorter  In a normal BG the crowd always follows the road to the right.  I am surprised given the popularity of the QueueQ premades in Bloodlust, especially on an AV weekend, and the likelihood that I am not the only person who does the premades,that sometimes gets AV for my daily random BG, that this little alteration to the herd like sheep norm hasn’t been adopted in non premade AV’s.  You can tell who remembers their ‘training’ in an Normal AV, and your lucky if you get 2 or three going left.

Because the standard Alliance AV strat in a normal BG is a Zerg  – it’s funny how everyone is happy to run as fast as they can to the end,  cap  Relief Hut,  cap the towers, jump off the towers, and then jump and down or dance on ‘Fail’hill’   That little hill outside the entrance.  It’s a nice little hill to play on while your waiting. Stand on there though, and the horde sneaking into the towers to recap have enough time to cap it before you realise what’s happening.   This is another strat/ piece of common sence that is drummed into you in a premade – yet I rarely see practised in a normal BG.

In IOC this weekend I learned all about the benefit of not defending the workshop. You get more demos when you take the flag back.  Stuff like that - Tactics, communication, and teamwork. In a non premade  It’s rare you see someone warn the rest of the BG about the health of our gate. Or the progress of the hordes gate.  Direct all demos to one gate, get people to think about where they park it to avoid damage when firing, and so hard to get people to read chat in a normal.

Most Pvp is people running around like chickens with their head cut off. Participating in Pug Raids/BG’s  still means you may get to kill stuff, but being part of organised, regular content,  being it Pve/Pvp means you learn a lot more – think a lot more and the given win a lot more.  

I am looking forward to Rated BG’s – we will see how I go. I would like to be involved in a regular group to BG, and I hope QueueQ does something server-based ( if possible)

Do you look after Healers in BG’s?

Yes I have been Pvping a lot. 31900 odd HK’s to go to 100k kills.  It’s going to be a long time.

I was healing an Eye of the Storm this weekend and a little Pally healer  is yelling at people to protect them.  It took me a little while to get close enough to gear check them - and I think my snarky retort in Bg chat of  “It’s a little hard to protect you with 16k Health and no resilence’ probably got completely missed.

Protect the healers – Lol

I don’t expect to get protected at all while healing in a BG.  I have a trinket – I have fear, I have GS,  I have Shadow Meld.  ( Shadow Meld is very useful when getting smacked around by pets of any kind.   Works on  Army of the Dead, hunters pets ect. ) I can also heal myself.  I have to take some responsibility for my own  life – I mean I’m the healer damn it.

It’s not like I can ask a dps to heal me – hopefully they are either destroying the horde, or ccing them, and I am keeping them alive long enough to be more affective.

I have never asked people in a BG to protect the healer. Should a healer expect to be protected?

I work on the principle of  if you get heals in a bg your lucky. There is no target priority in any bg bar the flag carrier in WSG/EOS.  It’s keep up who you can, so if you are getting any heals be grateful. Mana gain in BG’s with that nerf, and  in Pvp gear can be pretty terrible – hence why I am in half pve gear while healing  – in Pvp healing gear it was heal untill your OOM - die then do it all over again, and I know some BG healers don’t even bother with Pvp gear at all. I like to be somewhat harder to kill.

As a dps I don’t do too much to protect healers,  I might fear any melee/pets away from them,  shield them , target their attackers – but not so much because I am protecting a healer, but more because it’s Pvp – and often thinking does not often move past.

OH!  RED  TAG  KILLLLLLL EEEETTT

Fear or death is usually the only thing to get a enemy off a healer anyway, sometimes they don’t notice the healer behind the dps healing their little heart out,  but when someone gets a little smart and ” Kill the healers First” command is issued – well then your healer is in trouble anyway.

I think a 16k health person – healer or not with no resilience is asking WAY too much for people to protect them.  Yes everyone needs to start somewhere – but it’s one of those times I would like to say ” Suck it up princess” because they can’t help you when you can’t even help yourself.

BGs take two…

I think we  also need to start a campaign for Disc Priests and the “Healing Done” on BG boards to include absorptions too.  While they are at it,  add dispels/decurses too.

The battle has ended – This battleground will close in 2 min

Have you ever stayed at a club long enough to get kicked out? It’s kind sad – you never want to be the first to arrive to a empty dance floor ( unless your there to stake the pool tables out) and nor do you want to be the last to leave,  kicked out by the bouncer. It’s just not kool.

Once a BG ends no one stays around that 2 min to gloat,  or cheer about a victory. You may have just overcome the worst odds to achieve greatness with awesome teamwork, proven the naysayers wrong ” Omg no one here is over 5k GS – we are going to lose.”  ( well we won that one one anyway *blows raspberry) but no one gets to cheer about  the victory – everyone has already left.

Often there is no warning you are about to achieve a victory – you still locked in combat – when suddenly your dots stop ticking,  your weapons  return to their sheaths  and  your combat embrace freezes, and the  battle has ended score chart fills up your screen. It’s too late to even say “Hey awesome job guys!”  No one is there to see.

Hello!

Is there anyone out there..

Somebody…
Please…

You have won, or lost, and you leave as quickly as possible.

You see a sports team after a victory patting each other on the back, engaging in manly hugs that don’t touch fronts  – or some jumping around big smiles on their faces.

When we win a battleground,  there is no time for expressions of joy and elation. We slink off to our own realms stoic. Ho hum..

Would more people Pvp if they could get a sense of accomplishment from it?

I still think its kind of amazing how quickly a flock of sheep players who don’t know each other, can work together to achieve a goal, and victory.  Sometimes it just works – you click together as a team, and sometimes it doesn’t  and enough finger pointing happens in the game that 2 more minutes with those people isn’t going to accomplish anything. On those rare occasions when you do have that perfect synergy.  It’s sad when it ends. Because they are the battles I look forward to, and hope to find in the myriad of crap.

It’s a shame we  don’t have the option to keep the same team going into another battle, much like we can do in LFG’s

This sentiment is because between now and Cata I’ll be in BG’s a lot .   Raw gems still sell well, and I am 36500 odd honor kills away from  “Of the Alliance”  I might see how much of a dent I can make in it in the next few weeks because I am running out of things I want to do.

I am back to holy priest healing in BG’s again in a mix of Pve/Pvp healing gear  cause I am working on the theory that healers following people who need healing means that they are killing things   = more Honor kills. Means I am being productive in a BG without HK farming the in the middle.  Grrrrrr.    I tried doing some more Av Premades,  the honor was awesome, the Hk’s not so, and it sounds kind of bad but the best thing for Hk’s is a Av Turtle, but yes the object of the BG is to win first.  Hk’s 2nd.


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