Buffing Flagged and Unflagged Players

I did a Za run last night with a non Guild group – ( they were all in Kara) and one of the Players was flagged. We had been waiting for more then 5 minutes so it was inconsiderate of him to not unflagg as we became ‘infected’ when we buffed.  The raid leaders say “Ok now everyone flag up.” I ask “Why?” “Because you can’t buff all people in a group  if all the group at the same time if all are either all flagged or all non flagged.”   I say “Huh?” He says just do it.  I do it.  I say “Im toggling it on and and then off so It will go down in 5 mins. ” He said Leave it on.  ” I said no because  – I wasn’t flagging up when  I didnt have to”   I say I don’t agree with your theory.

 Even in an instance,   so many things can happen to make some or one person go out of the instance.  Summons of new players – Repairs – buying Reagents, all can cause you to go out of the instance at any time.  The whole group doesnt go out to protect you – and dieing by Pvp isnt painful, the body camping that can ensure is though, especially when your trying to do a raid. I wasn’t flagging when I didnt have to.

So we killed boss one – and some trash on other various bosses untill we realised that we may not have the right group make up. One of the wipes the whole Buffing while some are in PVP and other arent.   Flag up the Raid leader says – I say “I think you are wrong about this – in all my time of buffing people up Ive never had to rebuff because I was PVP and someone else wasn’t  or Vice versa. I buff the group – the only problems i have is when people insist on a group buff and someone is out of range. “Im right” says the raid leader. ” I don’t think you are. I say”  – Raid leader adopts a “I know everthing because not only have I played your class – but ive also been playing longer then you are- Tone. ” No….” and starts trying to explain in a condecending tone.  I say I understand what your saying – but its not true but it doesnt matter lets just kill the guy.

Another wipe – Some repaired some brought reagents and we needed to summon a warlock  – My flag had worn off by then – but if there had been a l33t Horde team waiting near the summoning stone they would have all been goners.. and I would have watched and laughed.

So we flagg up again – and I take notice of who gets buffs and who doesnt.

 I took a screen shot of an Unflagged player who sucessfully got buffed from Me while I was flagged because the other group I had buffed infected me because none of them had toggled off their PVP.

Im right I know I am – I pushed it to a reasonable point – concluded with  – I have NEVER in all my months of buffing  had to rebuff because of pvp/non pvp and i get infected all the time.. 

I tell the raid leader by whisper later I have such a screen shot with a 😛 so he knows no hard feelings.

“It must be bugged then”

*screams silently in frustration.  I have never heard of that pvp/non pvp buff issue..  and really most of the none buffs are because people dont run back into instance with rest of raid.. or are out of range.

8 Responses to “Buffing Flagged and Unflagged Players”

  1. 1 Crypto February 22, 2008 at 1:17 pm

    You are right, they are wrong. The only reason they don’t get buffed is because they are out of range.

  2. 2 pugnacious priest - A female Players Warcraft Blog February 23, 2008 at 1:08 am

    Im glad someone thinks so 🙂

  3. 3 Euan February 25, 2008 at 1:48 am

    Buffing someone flagged will flag you. If someone who is flagged buffs you and your not flagged, you stay unflagged.

    The raid leader is wrong. Wrong in more ways than one, you’re there to raid, not PvP. PvPing whilst raiding wasts the time of those who are there to raid.

  4. 4 MD February 26, 2008 at 3:44 pm

    I believe that if you are flagged, you can party buff people regardless if they are flagged or not. But if you are un-flagged, you cannot party buff the flagged people. I was on Fort duty yesterday, I noticed that when I’m unflagged, my Prayer of Fort wouldn’t buff the flagged people even when that person was right in front of me. On the other hand, I agree that flagging and immediately unflagging is a better route than having to flag for the entire raid.

  5. 5 pugnacious priest - A female Players Warcraft Blog February 26, 2008 at 10:27 pm

    @MD – see thats weird because when buffing a flagged person – i then become flagged aka infected by PVP ( sounds serious.. ) downside of healing/rezing/buffing someone who is flagged up –

  6. 6 Mootch Rexxar Server February 28, 2008 at 1:03 am

    We had a SSC run a week or so ago (just killing trash for drops and lerning to work w/ 24 others.) as we transition out of Kara. As the only Priest with Imp Spirit in the raid I can tell you that as an unflagged buffer casting group buffs, the flagged players did not get that buff, this included people in my own group who I was looking at in front of me so it was not a distance issue. I found that if I cast an individual buff on the flagged player, I would then become flagged as well and then could buff the whole group.

    As we were there to learn the pulls there were a lot of wipes and re-buffs. As the group conitnued to be mixed flagged and unflagged this problem persisted until the entire raid flagged and unflagged at the same time. Once we were all out of flagged status I did not encounter this problem again.

    Upside is that if you show up to the raid flagged not only will you not get buffs, you may not get heals until the flag drops.

    This is a recent development as I have never really noticed or had to notice who was flagged in a raid setting before.

  7. 7 Tuna March 2, 2008 at 6:02 am

    I play on a PvP server so we never have this problem.

    When I started playing with my friends on a PvE server, I was totally lost when they were talking about flagging and unflagging.

    What they did to fix the problem was have everyone who was not flagged zone in, and if you were flagged, stay out until your flag goes away. Which worked, but that was because there weren’t any horde outside fighting.

    This whole flag/unflag business is pretty dumb. Blizzard should just have it so if you zone into a PvE instance, it should automatically unflag you. If you zone out, you will get flagged again (if you were previously flagged before). This would solve this messy problem.

  8. 8 Hielo April 15, 2008 at 3:16 pm

    if the person you select to cast the group buff on is flagged, you will become flagged and the whole group will get the buff.
    If the person you select to cast the group buff on is NOT flagged but there is a person who IS flagged in the group, that flagged person will not get the buff.
    basically it depends on who you select in the group to buff.

    The mechanic is that if you buff a flagged person, you are aiding them in pvp, therefore you become flagged too… but if you select a non-flagged person in a flagged persons group, the flagged person wont recieve the buff purely to avoid flagging yourself by not realising someone in your group was flagged.

    It is a bit random… i normally tell the flagged person to turn it off, buff everyone anyway and take the temporary 5min flag and then normally by the time you need to rebuff anyone both your flags are down.

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