What is wrong with this GDKP ad? – It was in Trade last night for several hours.
It’s TOGC wanting 5600 GS – stats – achievement and gold
I watched him spam it in trade for a looooong time as I went in and out of Dailies, and Bg’s
Would have been better off going for MS > OS
Firstly – 5600 Gs peeps are doing ICC GDKPs – there might be one or two items that drop now that people still want, and for a decent pot you better hope that they all drop – and at least one of those things drops from Anub, so ” Going to get far as we can” really inspires me with confidence that it will be a success.
Every GDKP is now asking for GS Achievement and Gold to spend. I don’t think they are actually checking – but the idea is your either a carrier in the GDKP after some bargain offspec/choice items ( and you can make good money from it) or you’re not so well geared, getting carried – with gold to spend. So if you have too many overgeared people – no one bids on anything = little pot. If you’re performing poorly – and not bidding on items that are a clear upgrade – then you may be kicked for a) not being a carrier b) having no gold so lying, and not bidding on upgrades, being a freeloader on skill and gold levels, you’re not fulfilling at least one of the needs for a gdkp to be sucessful.
GS 5600 are overgeared for TOGC – GS 5600 people should also be doing TOGC in 1/2 an hour. Not ” See how far we can get”
Edit: I stalked his Armory –
25 Times completed the Trial of the Crusader (25 player)
Doesn’t look like he got his TOGC after all..
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TOGC is the Heroic Version – Trial of the [G]rand Crusader. 5600 is pretty reasonable for that.
no its nowhere near reasonable for that. 5600+ is a mix of icc 10 and 25 gear. my shammy who still has couple of ToC25 pieces is just under it. It MIGHT be reasonable to look for someone with that level of gear as carriers, but no one with that level of gear is going as buyer, unless they are looking for heroic trinket or what not.
Still way overgeared. If you want to faceroll it sure, but people were walking into to ICC on release on 4800-5000 – by memory I think even you were just over 5000 😛
Trial of the Grand Crusader 25 Player is not a faceroll. The more gear people have the more of a safety net you have.
Some of the items in there (trinkets specifically, but they aren’t the only ones) are still quite powerful compared to normal mode ICC25 loot.
My paladin is 5800ish and is in all 258 gear – so expecting that people have the equivalent of half 258 gear is not unreasonable if you are seriously aiming for Mad Skill or even Insanity.
I’m curious how many of the previous posters claiming its outrageous to want 5600 GS for this have actually killed anything past Northrend Beasts in Heroic TOC25.
Especially you, PP, who claim it should be clear in 30minutes.
Of course we are assuming that they had the relevant skill to go with the GS, and that the 25 people in 5600 were in the right gear, and not just for pretty numbers.
November last year I was 5108 – and had only not sucessfully killed Anub on TOGC 25 – the point is you do not need 5600 – and given this level of available content now – it is asking too much – as proven by the hours in trade recruiting on a server that is a lot better geared and cashed up then most servers, and the fact that the player advertising ended up doing a TOC, instead of a TOGC
just about. ToGC is definitely no faceroll, but asking for an unreasonable gearscore is basically a great big sign that person organizing it has no clue what they are doing and expect to be carried. all 258 means you have all ToGC gear right? meaning you’ve been clearing it over and over and over..
its not like they were going for mad skill, they weren’t even sure if they would get to anub and yet there they are, asking for ICC level gear to maybe clear previous tier content and pay for it to boot.
ToGC is definitely not a faceroll. so so-called “safety net” of gear will do squat when people get hit by charge, don’t switch to portals, allow their twin’s debuff tic its full duration and have no clue how to kite, ending up using up ice patches too early (assuming they even place them right)
gearscore and the way so many people worship at its altar is the reason why I finally canceled my subscription until Cata comes out.
“Must not want anything, but have lots of gold to buy it. Also I can’t type for shit.”
I have a better idea: Bank + GSx2 must be higher than 15k. If you’re not geared, you bring a lot of gold and get a lot of gear. If you’re geared, you bring a lot of gear and get a lot of gold. As it’s supposed to be!
or want one thing and be willing to pay 25 k for it.
Its stupid shit like this that shits me about GDKP.
I could probably run as part of one if I wanted to for an ICC25 GDKP run (5800) but I am lazy and don’t have much gold. I am also cheap and would rather only have to roll against 1-2 other tanks than have to buy it from about 24 others.
What where the circumstances around killing Anub in togc 25 in November? Now I dislike GDKP pugs but that not really part of it.
As a guild we killed Heroic faction champs a grand total of 3 times but never progressed further due to refusal to use the door strat. Many of our guild was up around 5400 mark at that time frame and we spent quite a bit of time on it.
Looking at one of the local better guilds http://www.wowprogress.com/guild/us/proudmoore/Infamy/rating.tier9_25 Infamy Killed him for the first time on the 26th of November, they were 6th on realm, 353rd in the US.
If you killed him as a single pugged member/recruit of a top 200 guild I an not quite sure if you have a full appreciation of the difficulty.
Now the rest I am sure you are right. But a 5600 gs pug clearing togc in 30 mins? Not happening.
It was “only not sucessfully killed Anub” meaning not killed him. It was with a well geared, and placed guild ( not a pug) – and I think they got him the week after I left ( and transfered to br) Still the orginal point of the post was that – your not going to get people of that level wanting to do a GDKP – and I still say it’s possible to do it in 1/2 an hour – that if you were to get people at that level doing it, with lots of room for the saftey net, and not going for Insanity or Madskill – and that given we are seeing pugs doing 10/12 ICC why not?
Cheers for the correction
They got him Jan 13th. I didn’t check the date. Either way I wasn’t in the kill. I was trying to demonstrate to the commentor above who said “I’m curious how many of the previous posters claiming its outrageous to want 5600 GS for this have actually killed anything past Northrend Beasts in Heroic TOC25.”
that of the two posters above ( me included I at least had killed more then Heroic Beasts so 50% which he knew, and of those commentors and that my ‘outrageous statement’ that it was overgeared was still reasonable based on the content available, and the gear available even at the time when the kill happened. – and that you didn’t need a gs of 5600 to clear it
My alt is almost 5900 GS and I’d be happy to do a TOGC 25 if I thought it was likely they’d get Mad Skill or Insanity. For hunters, 2pce 258 Tier is extremely good and is arguably better than the 4pce T10, depending on other pieces.
On a server like Blackrock I’m sure there are plenty of people in the same boat.
When you think about it too – most people who either did TOGC 25, or were putting serious attempts on it, would be well into Icecrown now anyway, on their mains or even alts, so its expected that their gearscore would be around the 5600 level or higher.
At the end of the day somebody was attempting to put together a well geared group for an “easier-than-progression” run of TOGC 25 and I don’t think that is such a huge deal… certainly not worthy of all this “omg you dont need people that geared!!!!!!” business.
The thread has been derailed.
GDKP TOGC at this level of content asking people for that GS will not… and did not happen.
If he had planned it on forums maybe
from the original post
Would have been better off going for MS > OS
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“Firstly – 5600 Gs peeps are doing ICC GDKPs – there might be one or two items that drop now that people still want, and for a decent pot you better hope that they all drop”
why bother making it a GDKP? It’s not about doing the achievements, Trying to do a GDKP that required “5600 GS – stats – achievement and gold” is too much to ask.
Personally I know alot of people that would be interested in going to a ToGC with a 5600gs min. There are still alot of people after DV for example, that are willing to pay alot of gold for it. I wouldnt waste my time going to a ToGC that didnt have at least around this level of gear.
He was spamming trade for at least 2.5 hours on a Monday night – and did not sucessfully get a group going. If more thought had been put into it – eg those lots of people doing a stacked guild co op run – then the chances of being able to do a GDKP with all those factors – GS Achieve and gold are higher. If he had lesser requirements be it a lower GS but still with achieve and gold. Then his likely hood of getting a pug off the ground would have higher. As would it have been if he had been from a big guild with lots of people interested in one item and willing to pay for it. Though with lots of people wanting one item though – they are going to say frack competing against at least 3 other people with more gold then me.
Running ToGC as GDKP is a pretty stupid idea regardless of GS (and I agree, 5600 is really high to be carried in ToGC, with 5600, unless your gear is poorly itemized even ICC 25 normal mode gear is barely an upgrade). There are only a few items in there that are more useful than ICC loot and the amount of coordination required for ToGC is a lot to ask of a pug. Carriers will be making way money per time and effort running in ICC GDKP runs.
GDKP
what you think it is:
a unique way to bid for dropped items and then share the pot of gold for those who assisted but did not get an item
what it is:
a unique way for an individual leading this raid to get an achievement and ninja all your gold at the end of the night