Raid Safe List

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Blackrock has its own Raid Safe list,  with names, and screenshots of known ninjas  at

“The people in this list are proven to steal or scam players out of items. Grouping, trading or any other type of interaction with them may result in being scammed. “

It’s a blacklist of sorts with guilds, and players, of known ninja’s – with a strict rule of  – must have screenshot evidence.  It seems mainly aimed at Horde Side,  because it seems to be more of a problem on that side of the fence,  but there are a few Alliance in there as well .  I can’t find however, the names of at least two people I was aware were confirmed ninja’s alliance side recently.

List is here and is 121 pages long to date of names,  screenshots, posts,

It’s moderated,  and as the moderators says

 ” I  have removed many people from the list. I update and research it often. Shit happens and sometimes people get shit mixed up. I am a realist.”

and as for its accuracy – and should you rely on  the information?

 “I know the time and effort it takes to keep a list accurate……  it is up to you to trust the link and to trust the content”

It’s quite a collection -a history of people who really do go out of their way to make things ‘unfair’  Keyword though is Scam.  They have scammed other players,  and that is what Blizzard does not like.

How useful is the information?

While using my google fu,  I found someone who app’d to a Alliance guild and the first response from the guild was the link to the post at straferight  which included multiple screenshots of that person ninjaing  something.  He was not accepted to that guild.

I also found reading back through the thread  someone who was implicated as being a ninja or being stupid for rolling on an item because the poster didn’t think it was an upgrade. The accused/implicated  had to defend themselves for gear choices,  and his explanation seems reasonable  – maybe this is the type of post that gets moderated eventually, especially when the posters link to image is broken.

It seems to be the most comprehensively organised list available.  It’s not defamation if it’s true,  and for the most  – the cases put forwarded are backed by screenshots.  Some realm forums try and keep a list,  but most end up degrading into mush.

I could keep a  separate list of people I have pugged with / raided with that have annoyed me and publish them here – they would become googleable.  My posts get google indexed, and I have a google rank of sorts – so if I named someone, and you google the right words, in theory you will find them here, which I why I do not want to post such things here   It’s one persons experience – mine-  even if they are true, , and unless someone is moderating me  and they have the opportunity to share their side. It wouldn’t seem fair.

*Disclaimer*I did name one person in an incident – and included screenshots which showed me telling him to read the blog – never heard from him, but he continued to be bad for other reasons, and got called out on the  realm forums,  so that google rank beats mine hands down. Still it was bad of me.

 I’ve been in some pugs that have made me angry – frustrated, but honestly without a permanent record of those I feel have ‘wronged’ me in some way  I’m going to forget your name in 2 weeks,  maybe 3  and I want to keep it that way.

I don’t want to feel obligated to check  a list, be it mine,  or somewhere on the web incase they are a bad. It would destroy the game a little for me each time I did.  I’ve never been ninja’d. ( Touch wood) –  but the choices I have made that turned out to be no so-good choices,   had signs that it wasn’t going to end well – but I went on the raid anyway. Weigh up the rewards v risk.   Set your standards, and for the sake of your stress levels. Keep them.

One thing I will offer advise on is,   read trade chat – people who ninja get talked about.  People who are idiots often trade spam stupid things.  Think upon it as your local gossip rag.   It’s good to keep your ear to the ground. 

I think a ninja list can be a dangerous thing – and I know by posting this – opening it up to discussion I am bringing it more attention.   I do think though it has it’s uses, as long as it’s moderated by people who do not have bias and the blackrock list seems to be done fairly. 

 If the behaviour – personality of a player is as easily discovered by a google search, or a report,  I am sure guilds would love to do that for all their apps.  I wrote a post some time ago “ How to use Warcraft Realms to investigate a Guild application”  as an example of armory crawlers that are already out there.

Even now,  any guild forum indexed by google becomes  a potential information source on players.   It’s amazing how easy it is to find guild applications, forum posts by, and to by any player name.  A raid safe list just makes it easier.

10 Responses to “Raid Safe List”

  1. 1 Narx June 16, 2010 at 6:44 am

    I saw on the Frostmourne forums today someone get rejected from a guild app because someone posted a thread that he ninja’d.

    • 2 Pugnacious Priest June 16, 2010 at 6:54 am

      oh you guys have some funny ninja threads.. ” I was distributing loot on a Competency Based Loot System. The players I thought deserved the loot most were given the pieces they expressed interest on by rolling”

      • 3 Narx June 17, 2010 at 2:20 am

        I think the best one we had was when the RL ninja’s it to his ‘Mother in Law’ who would never, ever, do something like ninja…

  2. 4 Ngita June 16, 2010 at 7:23 am

    Yea its a bit of a problem. Apparently not all realm forum are the same. But proudmoore its post a thread. show screen shots. Dont even mention the word ninja because thats certain death to a thread. 24 later if the ninja has any sense the will have reported the thread for slander and it will be gone. Heck they have even got rid of entire unrelated threads. I have every known one on a friends list on a alt but they are removed by server/faction transfers all the time.

  3. 5 RobQ June 16, 2010 at 8:32 pm

    I just want a way to ignore someone AND ALL OF HIS ALTS! On all realms. Haven’t you seen people on trade being made fun of after they’re victimized by a known ninja’s alts? Well hell I didn’t know that was one of his alts either. And when I encounter some racist d-bag or griefer on my dps in LFG, I want to make sure my tank and healer never group with him again in any way. The opposite of friends.

  4. 6 Shiva June 17, 2010 at 4:08 am

    I am usually cautious about such lists. Sometimes the things people do are despicable, other times though I feel like they pissed off the wrong person and there is a vendetta against them.

    I mean to me, sure it’s inefficient if some holy pally took your +hit rating sword from Forge of Souls; but that does not constitute someone being a ninja to me. Blizzard allowed them to hit need on it; it’s a decent upgrade to them and even Paladins have a small minor use for hit rating.

    I just refuse to get angry or upset with puggies who do that sort of stuff. Guildies on the otherhand, I’ll be harsh towards them.

  5. 7 anon June 17, 2010 at 10:23 am

    Jubei’s answer to ninja’s

  6. 10 Ruxor June 20, 2010 at 4:01 am

    Keeping up with the list and name changes is difficult. The list has grown as ICC seems to get easier. One thing people automatically assume is that the list is just a crying list over loot. I personally investigate all the claims. If something is shady or not 100%, it does not get listed. The links on the list bring a person to the post where they were accused. I decline many people who ask that others are added. There are also times that I know someone did steal, but there is no proof so they are not listed. It is definitely an undertaking but something I do for the Blackrock community.

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