A bit too much cheek.

This  probably has to be the most cheek I’ve seen on any gear model.  They are Elemental Rockridge leggings from Mara

She is not displaying her cloak now ( obviously) but that is an option.  I can choose to ‘hide’ her indecency untill I get different legs but I haven’t. I think she looks tarty ( a judgement)  – and I find that somewhat amusing.  It’s rather unfeministic  of me.  I know guys play female avatars so they have a “better ass” to look at, but I also don’t want to be ‘shamed’ into hiding because I am worried about the impression it makes.   

I am a liberal western woman. I want to play a character that is sexy and attractive.   My main is a Nightelf with bouncing boobs.  I love the exaggerated femininity. I play a fantasy game. I want my women to be clearly women, and my men like men. However there are lines in fantasy that must get drawn. I’m never going to get facial tattoos,  or dye my hair that colour,  or walk around city streets brandishing my sword and shield, nor will I pick a class over another because one’s boobs are bigger.  I keep my Lovely purple dress in the bank   and  I  don’t mind however that my current gear set on my main is more conservative. Long dress,   and that’s ok because she’s my more serious character..

Theres a stereotype right there.  That even I take my more conservatively dressed character more serious than my sexy fun tank. See regardless of my liberalism I still judge my own characters dress.

 I will also admit that the unattractiveness of horde side possibly steered me towards working more on my Nightelf more when I first started playing.  Sure my undead warrior I rolled on a friends realm looked cool.  But she was ugly.  I could see my kneecaps poking out of my pants. 

 I revel in the fantasy identity I can choose to be, and dress how I like without fear of being harassed by a local hoon because you can see some leg.   However  there are concerns that our perception of Female Avatars change the way we view women  – and that people, men and women exposed to suggestively dressed women in-game show a higher ” Rape Myth Acceptance – basically this is the view that Women deserved to be raped if “they wear suggestive clothing or are out alone at night”   From a study in February this year , as reviewed here   by Jesse Fox from Stanford  that showed and taken from the abstract of the actual study  ” Results suggest that gender-stereotypical virtual females enhance negative attitudes toward women”

I felt a  brief stab of guilt.  My refusal to hide my cheeks, or wear a shirt to cover any of my Avatars cleavage may contribute to the acceptance of this negative attitude, especially since I am a female, and I have found that anything that  is sexually female charged becomes more layered with intent if you’re a real girl.  I am ok with my Warrior looking like a tart ( see another judgement )  because she is not real.  I am ok with a women choosing to wear what she wants  Avatar or not.  Period.  IRL, or VR. Though  miniskirts in winter are silly!

You also may remember the Daedalus Project by Nick Yee  and he found amongst other things that

 ” Players seem to prefer avatars that reflect their own stereotypical gender traits. Female players prefer avatars that display feminine traits (e.g., grace) while male players prefer avatars that display masculine traits”

Most female gamers will pick female avatars.  I want to  play as a female.  I want my Avatar to look female. Is that so bad if its a sexy female? We already know that a Metal G is impractical and quite possibly painful. 

There has also  been some  recent discussion on the change to Wonder Womans outfit  – she has gone all conservative with a jacket and pants ( or leggings..) to as the Writer J. Michael Straczynski says ” ‘toughen her up and give her a modern sensibility'” a few writers  about this change,   don’t consider this change to be  as ‘ wank worthy’


And these are the looks that she has worn of the last 60 odd years.

Pic from Geekinthecity

What does Wonderwoman have to do with virtual game avatars? – its all still fantasy. While wearing pants instead of spandex tights doesn’t means she can’t be a superhero – or be attractive. Spandex tights make her more of a fantasy.  We don’t have to meet local club dress codes, and our avatars don’t need to worry about boobs falling out of costumes during songs.

I would be more worried about the perception of the female image  where clear lines between real world and virtual world fantasy and reality   are not available   Look to the print media and photoshop, and TV, and movies, and Models and P0rn  – before thinking that because my warrior shows a little cheek that she deserves to be a victim.

Yes I agree – there may be a little too much cheek on that pair of pants, she will get new ones I’m sure, but no matter what your,  or my avatar chooses , or happens to wear.  It will never change my belief;  no one deserves to be a victim.  

23 Responses to “A bit too much cheek.”

  1. 1 Windsoar July 14, 2010 at 3:57 am

    I like to look sexy irl, and ditto in the game world. Wearing appropriate dress for different situations is so deeply embedded in female social morays, we don’t even think about it most days, but I’m sure I’m not the only one who has a closet of “business,” “around the house,” “out with friends,” and “whoa momma!”

    I refuse to feel bad about enjoying the look of my characters, whether because they’re hot, or so grotesquely interesting that you can’t look away. Either way, I’m here to enjoy my game time, and not having to worry about sorting my closet for the proper occasion.

  2. 2 Shiva July 14, 2010 at 5:35 am

    If it makes you feel any better, there are a few reasons I chose to make my priest a Night-elf female. For one, I think night-elf males are lanky and awkward looking — It’s not that I mind being male or female, but I do want my males to look strong. I think my Paladin being a Male Draenei is a good example of this, he looks like someone that will take hits and big hits, he looks built to tank.

    So aesthetics aside, I really enjoyed the WoW lore for females, especially on Night-elf society. It really amuses and amazes me how good of a job they did pre-WoW to explain how Night-elf society was basically dominated by women.

    The women were the warriors. The women were the leaders. The women were the healers. The women were everything and everywhere. Ever notice all the Night-elf guards in Darnassus are female?

    It speaks volumes when all the warriors and priest of a society are females. And their leaders. It was pretty cool and somewhat empowering.

    And equally amusing to find out, a large number of males were corrupted. Most of the night-elf mages were males, and those were the corrupt one that became the High Borne or the Shen’drelar.

    The majority of Night-elf characters are female as well, sure there are the Stormrage brothers, and there is the brilliant tactician Jerod, but his sister is also influential and important.

    It’s an interesting look to the real world. The real interesting thing is, from the appearance of things it sounds like though they look different, the Night-elf females are physically strong as well as spiritually and internally strong.

    I have to say, I wonder how the world would be if women were physically stronger and bigger; either to match men or to be superior to them in terms of physical strength and size.

    I don’t really want to tangent off too much, but I always found this fact interesting. Admittedly, it’s a creepy, dirty and scary fact. The ratio of male:female who are raped below the age of 14 is vastly different than above. Below 14, males are either at the same rate or at a higher rate than female. Above 14 though, the number of males who fall victim vastly plummet. The obvious correlation is physical strength and size a male develops.

    Anyways, maybe I took your topic a bit too serious and went too much in the real world; but I hope I at least brought something up you never knew before.

  3. 3 Rastas July 14, 2010 at 7:08 am

    I’ve read in quite a few places comments where the writers were worried about female characters clothing or the lack thereof. Something to do with gender prejudices or catering men with half nude pretty girl figures.

    Even though I’m a female I’ve enjoyed looking at my female belf priestess with her stockings in outland, and I like my female troll mages dresses too, especially the ones that show she actually has a cleavage to be proud of.

    I consider female body more beautiful. It’s an artistic preference, an aesthetic view I’ve had since childhood. Whether it would be something imprinted on me by society and beauty standards or just something inherent of me I cannot tell.

    Having said that, I’ve never had an issue with graphical difference of the same piece of, say, chestplate on male and female characters. Just for the better I say. I like showing my femininity, and I like the idea that my character is also able to do it.

    Though I would love to see something else than faded grey boxers on my belf paladin when he undresses, to be sure.

    • 4 Pugnacious Priest July 15, 2010 at 12:13 am

      and they can fix the bra’s and girls undies as well. ugly brown things..

      • 5 Rastas July 16, 2010 at 7:55 pm

        Absolutely true. I’m yet to see a pretty piece of underwear in WoW, and it’s sad :/ Shouldn’t game developers have better imagination (at least about women’s undies) than that xD

  4. 6 Kosett July 14, 2010 at 8:31 am

    Meanwhile, the Midriff Virus continues to ravage all the women of Azeroth.

    Next victim: Sally Whitemane!

  5. 7 Anstasia July 14, 2010 at 4:24 pm

    Originally a Blood Elf and now Human, I will admit that I have picked races that I found to be aesthetically pleasing. After years of being forced to control a male avatar, I definitely appreciate games that allow me to crush evil while sporting curls and curves.

    Similarly, I do not think the game would be as fun or enjoyable if I were limited to only playing a male avatar. Perhaps I am digressing down an entirely different path, but there is a reason I only ever played an Amazon in Diablo I and a Sorceress in Diablo II (despite having little interest in the classes.)

    • 8 Pugnacious Priest July 15, 2010 at 12:11 am

      I love the curly hair on my tank 🙂 I like curls and curves as a catch phrase too.

      • 9 Narx July 15, 2010 at 1:07 am

        Yeah I went with blonde curls on both my belf pally and DK tanks.

        I just enjoy the irony? of these doll-like females taking shit tons of damage and walking away from it. Break the stereotype!

  6. 10 theerivs July 14, 2010 at 5:55 pm

    Baby Got Back!

    That’s all I got.

  7. 13 Katherine July 15, 2010 at 1:37 am

    It really bugs me to play the game in skimpy armour, because it just doesn’t look practical. Bikini plate protects nothing! It’d be nice, for both this and the “stereotypical male player wants female characters to ogle”, if Blizzard put less of that in the game for standard armour (holiday dresses are fine) or if we had the choice to not show off our butts/midriffs etc.

  8. 14 Dàchéng July 15, 2010 at 4:52 pm

    If you like the Elemental Rockridge leggings, you’ll just love the Mageweave leggings and the Firemane leggings.

  9. 16 Virginia August 7, 2010 at 5:29 am

    “It’s rather unfeministic of me.”

    I dunno. I identify as a feminist, and part of my belief as such is that you have the right to do whatever you wish with yourself (including your ‘virtual self’ in WoW) as long as the rules are followed. (Laws IRL, or ToS/etc ingame, things like that. :D) If you want to dress skimpily, that is your right. If you want to be conservative, that too is your right. It’d be unfeminist of me, IMO, to judge you for exercising that autonomy.

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