Mindblast More.

Boring post on replenishment.  Doing some working out. Skip to end for conclusion.

6 trys 1 kill on H PP 25 man


There were complaints around the 4th attempt  about lack of Mana regen as  I was the only one procing it, and I was instructed to ” make sure I was procing it”   One Pally had left the raid, and the other one was not doing what ever he was before to proc it all the time so I wasn’t aware that I was the only source.

From Wow Head Replenishment

“gives 10 party or raid members (with the lowest mana left) 1% of their maximum mana every 5 second for 15 seconds, or 3% over the full duration”

So I need to Mindblast while VT is up to proc replenishment – and it has a 100 yard range.

It also refreshes if  you proc it again in that 15 secs – so there will be some overlap, as some people will still be on that list  so instead of  application  1 running for 15 secs  on say Bob.  If it gets refreshed at say 10 secs, he gets 10 seconds of Application 1 , and 15 sec of Application 2  especially if BOB runs at low mana all the time, but then bob might get it at 10 sec of application 2 and so on..  – which means 5 ticks is lost just on one person if I am MBing more then once every 15 sec. If I was refreshing it too often then the numbers of ticks would also be lower in comparison to how many MB’s there are, and if its safe to stand still I probably am casting MB more than  when I am on the run,  need to move,   refresh dots, get off the boss,  chase gas/oooze Run run  MB . move again.

A Top 10  of who got the most ticks ( the strength of the mana gain depends on your own base mana -)

What a waste of Replenishment. 2 pets are in the top 10

DPS 1714 36.1 mana 61868 mana
PET 1395 22.3 mana 31169 mana
Healer 1380 60.9 mana 84034 mana
Tank 1185 15 mana 17834 mana
DPS 1084 67.5 mana 73181 mana
Zahraah 1042 59.5 mana 61950 mana
Healer 1025 81.3 mana 83361 mana
PET 1020 22.7 mana 23180 mana
DPS 999 69.8 mana 69699 mana
Healer 907 64.9 mana 58820 mana

So Starting off at attempt 4

18 Mindblasts in that attempt , and to be perfectly honest If I’m hitting the gases,  and they are  almost  dead I am not going to refresh dots when I can MB,  so that may explain why some of my MB’s aren’t procing.

So to work out if I am Mindblasting while VT is up,

1486 replenish ticks

Theoretically if every Mindblast was Procing replenishment then

it should be 18mb x ( 10×15)  = 2700

18 mindblasts could have proc’d replenish

So that would mean  that  it was only procing or being useful   55% of the time

Try 5

1270 Ticks of Replenishment

7 hits 9 crits   = 16

16  x (15×10) = 2400  52% of the time.

Try 6

1171 replenishment ticks  5 hits  10 crits  ( 8 resisted?)

15 x (15×10) = 2250 = 52%


2932 – Replenishment from me 10 hits 18 crits

28 x (15×10) 4200 69%

2569 ( from a pally who joined fight/did his thing)

so my 69% was higher. I was MBing  more though – which I was under the impression should not be necessary.  I have kept my 5/5 Mindblast CD reduction,  but a lot of 4 piece t10 builds haven’t, and put the points into things like inner focus, and threat reduction, and improved VE.

Not every mindblast is cast with the intent to Proc Replenish. I should have VT up as often as possible,  but if it falls off mid cast,  I’m not going to stop MB reapply the dot then recast MB that would be a dps loss.

I don’t know if I’m the only one procing replenishment.   We have 3 pallys that proc it a random bosses, and random times. So I can’t tell when I should be mindblasting more then what should be necessary because I’m not psychic and they don’t tell me ” I don’t feel like procing it this fight can you mindblast more”

If I worry about mindblasting more than I let dots fall off because MB is more important when VT is up then reapplying  DP, or sticking all my dots on target, and then Mindblasting.

It also depends on how many times I need to move. H PP means lots of movement – running away from things.  If you stand still you get hit with Goo while you have 2 stacks of disease.  ( happened twice) so I fail more often.

Vt’s shorter uptime, means it falls off quicker,  it also has a cast time,  and very difficult to cast on the run,  which I why DP and SWP are easier to stick up  while getting into position.  If your stationery VT will go up first most of the time.

So I went to look at  another PP fights we still had logs up for. We one shot him last week – and I found another thing to consider.

Pally 1 3299 ticks, Pally 2 3007 ticks me 343 ticks

Mindblast = 21 times.  So why is my ticks so low.  If the pallys were procing it  all the time,  then every time I proc’d it it would get over ridden by one of them

Looked at another guilds logs  – they had 3 sources of replenishment for 2 H PP attempts

2 attempts by another shadow priest

sp1 3382 47 MB’s  47 x (15×10) 7050 47%

sp 2 1831  42 Mb’s  42 x ( 15×10) 6300 29%

This shows me that I am not MBing enough.

So In summary

I should be casting MB more if I am the only source of replenishment

It would be helpful to know if I’m on the one who will be procing it.

If someones  replenishment gets refreshed by me, or someone else, ticks are ‘lost’*

Pets also have mana, and will use a replenish tick, or a couple,  or a thousand or so. .

The Ultimate conclusion, and this stings a little. I AM ONLY GOOD AS A  MANA BATTERY

Ok I don’t really feel that way all the time.

While theoretically MBing shouldnt be a dps loss. I don’t have the haste  the two priests I used as comparison do. Cast time is a little lower,  easier to squeeze in, T

I don’t know maybe I’m clutching at straws and excuses. But just when  I feel when I start feeling like I am doing better dps wise, and I have been.  I fail at  Procing replenishment enough.

5 Responses to “Mindblast More.”

  1. 1 Calsong August 14, 2010 at 4:08 pm

    Are the low mana pets Felguards? If so, they should disable auto-cleave. It’s a net dps loss and VERY mana heavy.

    Paladins of the retribution specialization will proc replenishment as a core part of their rotation.

    You’re spot on about the way replenishment works. Sometimes you’ll get a few new targets with your proc, but most of the time you’ll get the same 10 low mana players.

    QQ about being a battery.

  2. 2 Fert August 14, 2010 at 7:29 pm

    I cast MB right after each VT cast(except when bloodlusted). This lets me know that VT will be up, so I am not flushing any casts where I will get no Replen(only lost DPS), and is an easy way to remind me to hit it. Moving and higher priority spells(well…DP) will keep me fro casting MB right away(if at all that VT), but we usually have at least 1 or 2 other replen artists, so even if someone goes a few seconds without it ticking, they will be fine. I am casting about every 8-10 secs(MB CD, untalented, is a little shorter than my VT duration), so they should overlap anyhow.

  3. 3 Narx August 15, 2010 at 2:09 am

    ‘Paladins of the retribution specialization will proc replenishment as a core part of their rotation. ”

    This. This is the only pally spec that has replenishment and it should be up 100% of the time. I don’t think any other class gets 100% replenishment the way no other class does.

    Destro Lock: Proc’s from Soul Leeches only.
    Surv Hunter: Proc’s from shot crits only
    Frost Mage: Casting Frostbolt only
    Ret Pally: Every Judgement procs

    Given pally’s should always be judging for some effect (light or wisdom) there is no excuse for replenishment to not be up. Ever. At all. Period.

    So I would be going back to your RL and telling them the ret pally’s are failing in their rotations as they should be replenishing the raid, not the spriests, as the spriests require that VT doesn’t drop for them to proc the replenishment.

    Ret pallies just need to swing away as per normal.

    • 4 Narx August 15, 2010 at 2:10 am

      “I don’t think any other class gets 100% replenishment the way no other class does.”

      I fail at English.

      I don’t think any other class gets 100% replenishment the way paladins do.

  4. 5 Cassandri August 17, 2010 at 12:48 am

    My attitude to providing replenishment is similar. If VT drops off as I’m casting Mind Blast I don’t stop my cast or anything.

    I tend to leave it to the Ret Paladin (although we used to have 2 we now only have 1). And if there’s no Ret Paladin I’ll ask if I need to provide Replenishment. Pretty rare that anyone jumps up and down and screams “YES YES YES”.

    When asked I just tell people it’s a DPS loss to provide replenishment. That usually sums it up enough for everyone to understand!

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