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Why do people just walk away?

Why don’t you walk away?
No buildings will fall down
Why don’t you walk away?
No quake will split the ground
Why don’t you walk away?
The sun won’t swallow the sky
Why don’t you walk away?
Statues will not cry

Franz Ferdinand  – Walk away

“I’m strong now I know that I’m a leaver” 

It took me a little while to realise that moving on  firstly isn’t so hard, it gets easier with practise,  and secondly unlike the Cranberries  most people won’t “Miss you when your gone”  ( Yes its Lyrical Wednesday).

Though the person who just disappears – stops logging in are thought about more kindly than the person who gives notice  – waits the drawn out period of their notice  – and has a long protracted goodbye.  It’s like waiting for a date to call you again.   When no reason is given why – it’s easier to make up something – and because you’ve actually never said “this is not going anywhere”  it also leaves the door open for a convincing excuse if you change your mind.

A Gm or Rl would like to know ahead of time if your leaving,  they need to plan.  If you lose your maintank.  Well that could be a hiccup.  But the reason for leaving better be a good one like military service – because  “I’ve burnt out” isn’t a good reason and it’s not likely your friendships will last through an extra week or two of you not wanting to be there, and the rest of the guild being resentful at you wanting to leave.

The person who just disappears, or walks away from the game is a mystery – did they die? / get hacked / lose internet / get sick /  they are my first thoughts when I hear of someone doing a disappearing act. Unless I had prior warning one of the last things I consider is ” they woke up one morning and didn’t want to play anymore”  It’s a more ‘romantic’ notion to think of something tragic happening then  – that your friendship/company/hours of raiding/guild chats meant so little to them that they couldn’t say goodbye can cause you to question your self worth, Leave me!  Never…

Not being around to provide a explanation for your disappearance  increases the likelyhood of being welcomed back should you change your mind in a guild too.  I used to call these Phoenix raiders.  People who would app and said ” I used to raid with you –  I lost everything when my harddrive failed and now only coming back.  6 months later


 Just walking away is less stressful on you – you don’t have to explain to anyone,  We know the more time spent out of game  = the less important it, and the people in it become so Tom Dick and Harry in your guild become irrelevant within a week or less if your not there, and if you did chose to come back – you can concoct a good excuse for your absence.

So I can understand why people just want to disappear.

As great men ( or Women) say nothing

We lost a player from our guild today, he did it nicely, politely said goodbye.  He didnt give all his reasons,  and within 5 min of quitting he had found another home,

Now I know he had not been getting raids, or a raid only when we were desperate for Warlocks, and from the looks of it no one had said anything to him as to why,

The Class leader posts on the forum today a list of things wrong with the current bunch of warlocks, with a ” you know what refers to you”  now given that we had just lost another raiding warlock to a server transfer , I’m sure that there would have been other ways to address any misgivings rather then such a generalised post the the remaining 2 or 3 players that weren’t the Class leader,  and yes he did say to speak to him on vent in response to his post if they wanted to.  How generous.

But the Guy we lost today, was a nice person, was friendly, eager to help, and Very Patient.  He had good gear, was available at most raid times,   but maybe, he like I do – or did was just missing the right kind of advice to make him better.  My Road to improvement has come in stages, and its still going, and what keeps me from hitting the people  over the head who have stepped up and gave me some advice is that they were right, I did need improvement.  I actually can’t believe how patient he was – the weeks of waiting, he waited longer then I did, or will ever.

The higher we level, the more elite we become, are we getting scared to give practical advice? I can see the Field of so called Elite becoming smaller as the expansion comes, more pressure to perform well, and people who find other elites will band together and rally, and exclude anyone that doesn’t  fit their profile.  This can be right, as the saying goes..  ‘ The weakest link… ‘  but by not saying anything they can cripple themselves,  hence now we don’t have enough available warlocks to do Mags.

I’ve titled this post so – because I was not blind,   I knew that he wasn’t raiding and he wanted to,  but it was never my place to ask why not,  I’m not an officer,  nor was it my place to raise the doubt in his eyes that he  wasn’t impressing the right people, because then he might say” How do i do that.. ” I couldnt help as I don’t know warlocks. I really hope he is happier elsewhere,  but worry should I who saw this comming have said something to anyone?

I did BT the other night with my new cast Bar Quartz and am now having to adapt to the ‘speed’ of casting which feels like I’ve had 2 haste drums popped near me.  But my Dps has improved alot.  I just need to make sure I stick to cast sequence and rebind some Keys  – next goal is to out dps my class leader, even when he is in ‘better’ gear. 

Another thing of Note, my Alt is now in outlands getting Killed alot in Hellfire, and almost level 60 now.  A couple of people from my Raiding guild know I have an Alt of that level now, and they asked Do you want an invite to the Guild – I’ve said no.  I’m happy with my place in the raiding guild and I only want my Raiding Toon in there.,  I am happy doing my own thing with my Mage alt, and given my feelings at the moment.  I want to keep my raiding toon Seperate from the rest of the game.


Looking For Guild for Alt

For someone who  Gquit only twice on any toon in just 12 months I’ve sure been doing it alot lately.

I removed my Alt  Zoph now a 48 Level  Fire Mage from the random guild that signed me up when they were looking for signatures and offering gold. They were never on,  I couldn’t recruit – didnt have invite access, and anyone else who wanted to join had to be refered to the officers.  However the officers where never on and neither where any members. Their approach is fair enough if your in an established guild, and officers are on regularily   but unless your guild has an endgame purpose if you want to survive the start up – Be a bit less picky as to who comes.   Keep your bank controls tight, and promotion ability tight – and remember you can boot people from the guild if they cause issues,  but I believe that if you want member ‘padding’ don’t be picky about recruitment to start with or established people like me will gquit.  I seriously would rather be solo.

Besides the name of the Guild was silly –

What I want for Zoph my Alchemist is a Fun friendly guild that wants to Level – gradually – and may aim for end game content but they are a fair way off.  I’m hoping that she will be able to skip Kara completly, and get decent enough gear from BG’s – Herorics and Level  70-80 and the tailoring sets I will make after the Expansion comes out.  I’m looking for I guess a Leveling Guild – I’m not after a Nanna guild where their 70’s run lobies through ( that would be hypercrital..  ) But Im after a guild where I can go about my business,   do some Guild quest/instance runs with like leveled characters – Have some friendly competition as to who got to outlands 1st and plently of inane non serious chat in the Guild chat. ( I can deal with some kiddies – but not a whole guild full )

Thats effectively the definition of Z ( my Mains)  1st Guild, Im still in contact with the GM from that guild,  but I worry that I would be called upon to use my main ( like I was when I was in there when things got too hard) – and when i play my Alt I do it because I want to play her – level her up abit – She might reach a leveling slump when she hits level 50 as I can max out her Alchemy further past 300.

Guild Audit – and Guild loyalty.

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My Warcraftrealms Profile doesn’t show at the moment that as of Last night I changed guilds again. 

Why did I leave?  – Firstly because CD never felt like ‘home’  True I had only been there for not even a month, but in that month the people who had recruited me had left,  the people who remained, I didn’t know that well  but more over there was no reason to stay. 

One of the people who had recruited me to CD ( and left 2 days after I joined),  has been after me to join his  guild that he has co- founded.  I’ve declined for personal reasons stating that their raid schedule was too busy for me to commit to,  but the truth is  where as he was a good player – a good person  he tried to ‘adopt’ me.   I found that moving up the levels when questing/grouping/guilding  the moment they find out that I’m a girl,  some people have had a tendency to try and control me  – Not necessarily give me favours but more the whole I know whats best for you – I doubt that they would have adopted a male player so readily.  I don’t mind being nudged  in the right direction if you have advice  – I will listen and he has been helpful in that departement – But do notforce it down my throat  – I want to play.  I want to have fun.  I want to progress..  but not right this second  but when I get there. I also  want to be taken for face value, not because it looks like to the rest of the guild that someone is giving me favours, and he did have a tendancy when raid leading to give loot preferences to his favourites. 

His new Guild (s)  besides changing names has also received some bad press in the forums and trade channel and while I like making up my own mind,  their reaction to some other people has shown their age.  I don’t think they have the maturity to maintain a ‘home’ or a good stable guild. Which above all is what I want.  He is upset and angry at me gquitting and not joining his guild.   I never promised I would – and who knows maybe my new guild won’t like me – I’m on trial – Maybe I won’t like them.  They seem so far like a good well rounded out – solid and stable guild,    but due to realm transfers some of the stable guilds on our server are having issues.  Valhalla has apparently broken up too.  So Recent events have made me think about what I want from a guild, and this is what I want

Maturity, experience, understanding, patience, support,  advice, fun, adaptability, companionship – Dedication

Notice I haven’t included friendship – because I think that ingame friends are very much a different class then RL friends. They are harder to keep once you lose a common interest/goal – and even the people that you used to raid with like my ‘friends’ from AOL become random whispers or waves as you pass by in a city as your goals change.   I was niave to think that once I added a ‘friend’ to my friends list – that they would be real friends.   So even though RL intermingled with game life – I had a mobile number for one,  emails for another,  friends on Facebook for some,   without the common interest of our guild – we were no longer ‘friends’  Hence companionship is what I want.  Friendly in game companionship.

Loyalty is also not included because – RL takes priority – Goals change, Guilds change, people have a self interest, people pay money to play.  Peoples lives change  to often to use the word loyalty,   It is a too strong a word to ask for.  I want dedication – because its more  temporary ( without the guilt) it means you are focused at what needs to be done,  I am loyal to my family  – I am loyal to my RL friends – and sometimes Ingame friends can cross that line I’m not saying they don’t  but I do not want to be disillusioned into placing Ingame friends on Par with my bestie from Highschool.   The ingame friend will get tested more – it has to survive guild and realm changes,  RL changes,  and if it does they they are true friends, and maybe that’s why some guilds outlast, and ‘core raiders’ stick together for so long – they cross that line, and grow together.

 So I’ve a new chapter in my guild history – lets see where it leads.  I don’t want to be a End game guild hopper  – I really don’t –  but its happening all the time, its getting more common.  I think I was pretty good to last in one guild from level 15-65 and I only left them because I outgrew them  – as one of the few higher players most of my days were spent fielding VC and SM Runs  – but there is enough of a QQ in that topic for another post – another day.

There are also more people now who are guildless and not just the <10’s   too many guilds are attempting endgame content without enough stable players – Guilds are being started by too many people, breaking up and reforming,  I remember when a Guild was somewhere to belong,  now for the most and maybe its just Endgame cynicism..  its just a place to be untill something better comes along.


Quitting my Guild

So  Ive decided to quit my Guild on my main.  Its been an up and down thought for a couple of weeks now, gradually withdrawing from stuff – Including the Kara run.

So Ive left.  It was odd – I feel free.. I feel : refreshed.  Ive proclaimed loyalty and i had been with them since August. and Ive had two offers to join other guilds in the last week, and that was without me actually looking.  As today Ive not decided if I will join the latest Guild thats asked.  I have killed Grul: the dragon killer twice now with them, and they seem like nice people.  I had a chat with a guy at work today who also plays wow – and gavc him a run down of some of the dramas that was my guild and people and he was laughing at me – ( in good spirit ) Its a game and you forget sometimes that you are still dealing with real people.

I’ve also left being an officer.  I’ve asked – demanded – pleaded to have that rank removed.  I wanted to play – do my own thing and not feel like everytime i did somthing that was an officer role ( like demote non active players who hadnt been online for 6 months) that I was overstepping my bounds.  Ive read forum posts as to other guilds drama tried to relate it to how i was feeling – and how to fix it.  I did the basics – Talked about to other officers and the GM – asserted my authority as an officer and the best interests for the guild. – but it was never enough or too much.  For the most the guildys just wanted to log and play. When you have 200 odd members its not that simple.

I was also getting increasingly frustrated at the time it was taking to do the simplist of things. Like kill the 1st three bosses in Kara. But that would mean people would need to be there – and prepared. so what happens to the people who are there. They get bored and there are other issues – mainly with we thought we were heading to be a raiding guild but people werent putting in the right efforts.

so now having /gquit.  Did you know that not even a warning asks you “are you sure?” the command does it automatically.

I told the inviting guild I would let them know tomorrow – I didnt tell them when I was going to quit – and Id like to talk to their officers tomorrow and see what they expect from me – and also what I expect from them.  No drama Please – no officer position – so im not expecting an auto invite.   It could be refreshing to wander around guildless for a while.

I guess I will be putting the  PUG  – in pugnacious more.

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