A recent comment on a recent tanking post got me thinking about how I use the Vote to Kick.
The reason: vote kick has a cooldown, and the more times you use it, the longer cooldown becomes. Vote kick must be available to get rid of game-ruining player, not lost on minor inconvenience.”
I think most of the recent votes to kick I have initiated since this cool down change has actually been people who dc, and even then casually suggest ” should we kick the dc” and someone else does it.
I got burned bad back in the early days of tanking in Mara. We had two dps afking at the start of the run. It was like they wandered off and did something else while we killed stuff and they got free xp. The cool down wouldn’t let me kick them both. So I try not to use it. Kicking someone from group for peeing me off isn’t as high on my list of things to do as it used to be, and I guess that’s the point. I don’t think I ever kicked for anything trivial, but it’s forced me to triple think, I want to be able to use it when I NEED to use it, but as another commenter said often its not worth it. How many of us are complaining about the state of attitude in groups now, ‘not worth’ it is rather defeatist, and at least I am feeling a little defeated. It doesn’t matter what the role I’m playing. Often there is always one person who makes it their job to make everyone else s just that little bit harder.
On my main in my healing gear I was doing a POS, it was a high hp tank who knew what he was doing, so I started dpsing too, a couple of dots, a mindblast, and some mindsearing in a group. We had a DK dps not doing so well, and I was beating him. Tank linked the damage metres and had a laugh at the healer and the tank out dpsing a dps.
Tank initiates a vote to kick, I say no. It fails. Tank then says ” 100 gold” and the party is like “?”
“100 gold each to carry you” he says to the DK. ” don’t be silly” I say in party chat. It put me in a bad position because I was being an over-confident /bored healer, trying to make things go a little bit faster because I didn’t have to worry about the tank as much.I may not have come to the tanks attention if I had just done my selected job.
I zoned into another instance into what looked like a wipe recovery. People at half health, scattered cross the instance probably running back. One of the Dps was slow running back, not stupid slow and it is frustrating when one person is holding the group up, but we were buffing, and the rest were drinking, and he was at least on his way, but someone initiated a vote to kick.
” Why… ”
“He is too slow”
It failed thankfully.
They highlight why there has to be a cool down so that petty reasons do not succeed. I’ll steal anonymous words again. ” game-ruining player, not lost on minor inconvenience” Game ruining is trying to cause a wipe, refusing to do your job / afking – being grossly offensive – and that’s about it. There are so many minor things which are still going to get the dungeon cleared, just aren’t going to make your game fun. The vote to kick wasn’t aimed at getting rid of people stealing your fun unfortunately.
Let them die
What if there was a “Let them die” vote. I was taught that not taunting off a dps made me a bad tank. So I feel it’s my responsibility even if it’s their fault.
Letting them die needs a collaboration between a tank and healer – healers feel its their job to heal. Tanks react when they lose control of a mob ( usually) and try to grab agro back. There has to be an agreement between tank and healer to let them die.
As a healer I’ve told dps to let the “Tank tank.. ” Linked damage metres to show they took most of the damage that the tank should have. I am not sure how I would react if a Tank asked me to let that person die, and stop healing them. I knew he was being bad, I knew that this would have stressed the tank out, spending more time trying to grab agro back then concentrating on tanking. Given what I know, if I felt the tank had good reason to say that I would support the tank if I felt I would be supported in my decision to refuse to heal, and not only is our tolerance for bad a problem, but also what is missing is the lack of support that the other players give to the people who are trying to change that.
Could I tell a healer to let someone die – maybe. I think if the situation got extreme again, I would.
However imagine the scenario
“Tank: DPs1 stop pulling
DPs1: Your too slow
Tank: Healer just stop healing him
Healer: um.. ok..
DPS2 : Just pull the boss
DPS3: finish the Fracken instance
Lack of Support
Because everyone “Just wants their badges so we can all go home. Healer and Tank refusing to compensate for a person making their lives difficult are not going to get the other dps’s support, and the tank and the healer will be the ones slowing up the instance by causing drama or making a fuss, not the asshat in the first place, and that’s the sad part. I guess when you talk about this different mentality you need to have when being the healer, or the tank – it can also mean you are very much all alone, and the price of your conviction inconveniences the rest, and what would cause the most stress, is not the asshat, but not feeling supported for doing ‘the right thing”.
We had a bad dps in an instance say ” Hurry up – I need to go soon,” I told him to “dps faster”, and also said ” why is it the person doing the least damage is that one that wants to hurry it up” I don’t like being that person – but I tried it on for size, and it didn’t make him perform better – or the run more enjoyable.
I think this is where ” it’s not worth it” can make your experience better, Ignorance is bliss. How bitter those words taste. If only I derived more joy from being snarky at people. Then maybe I would feel better about sounding like the asshole.
But Support the right decisions. Maybe I should have supported the vote to kick the slow dps, but there are so many other factors we would need to ask them – new player? First 80? new Spec? Lag? to at least justify why we thought they were bad. They were just low, and in the scheme of things stuff was dying. It was ok. Don’t support the person who is a little slow running back ( little.. ) Personally I would LOVE to kick the people who want to vendor/repair/get reagents as soon as they zone into the instance. Usually it’s dps who have had how many min’s of waiting time to be be prepared. We get to the first boss. ” Hey I’m back” – you didn’t need me” but again. Is that a kickable reason? In comparison to what other crap people pull.
We need an I like bubbles “Vote to kick” Friday Flow chart.
But for now you get a pic of my cat being grumpy.