Posts Tagged 'Raid Leader'

Random Reserve – Compensation for the GDKP Raid Leader.

On Horde side on my realm in GDKP’s  I have been told it’s not uncommon for there to be a loot rule of at least one random Reserve.  or 1RR.  This means that  at any time during the run,  the Raid leader & Organiser of the GDKP can say when a piece of loot drops ” Mine! – that’s my random reserve.”

Other are more specific – if” *blah* drops  It’s mine,  or I reserve one BOE .  Someone – probably a Horde to Alliance transfer tried to reserve two BOE’s in their GDKP ad the other week.  They were laughed out of trade chat.   At least they were being upfront about their loot rules though. Those sorts of loot rules do not sit well on Alliance side.

  Most GDKP’s go ahead without reward given to the raid leader.   Other rewards are subtle, and not declared.  The Goodie bag that was saved to the end of the run is forgotten about – the Primordials aren’t included as part of the auctions –  sometimes it’s not their intent  to forget, or the amount the primal might go for may not be consequential so it doesnt matter.   I worked out that was how one frequent GDKP leader was making so many of the ICC patterns and then selling them cheaper then the AH – he was keeping the primordials

Is it fair?

A GDKP is still mostly a Pug run.  We have at least one sponsored one on our side where last week the share each was 14.5 k gold.  It has a waiting list. Most however  you still need to sit in trade at the right time,  hope another one isn’t forming at the same time,  juggle your class and role needs,  screen the potential peoples,  balance your carrys and non carrys. Control bidding and looting and gold while in the run,  run the raid,  handle drama.  Know strats.  That’s not easy to do at the best of times.

A Guild master / Raid leader does it for free in their guild  – but that’s a guild – why shouldn’t an organiser of a GDKP get compensated for their efforts?

unfortunately that is a reason for a lot of ninjas. -Their feelings of entitlement override what is ‘fair’.    Fair – is making the rules upfront – and sticking to them.  That way I get an informed choice.

When looking for a  GDKP – a loot rule like 1RR would influence my decision to join.   If the organiser  – say does not have Deaths Verdict  – and it’s good for his class – and he declares  “1RR”  then if I was after that same loot item –  it means the opportunity to bid on that is gone for a week.

Reserving of much wanted items is also bad for the Pot.  Heroic DFO’s in the earlier days was going for 45k gold  – thats 1.8k gold each in the pot off one bid.  Boe’s always sell well in GDKP’s because of their resale value on the auction house.

What sort of compensation should they get?

I find it unfair that we would pay 1k for someone to unlock heroic mode once for lootship – yet the person who ran it – gets nothing but the pleasure of 24 other peoples company and the equal chance to bids. Maybe some of the carrys are their friends. 

However besides  a cut of the pot – the primordials – patterns, a choice of loot, or a BOE  – how do you be fair to the leader without being at least a little unfair – or depriving the remaining 24?

I would prefer that they get no reward = more things/gold for me,  but I don’t believe that it’s entirely ‘fair’ but it’s certainly a preference of mine.  No Funky loot rules.

What would I be ok with? – what’s ‘fair’ ?

Firstly.  I would need to be informed of these rules before I started.  Then I would weigh it up.

I might be ok with say a 1k payment.  40 gold each from the pot for a decent ICC run. Eg now 10/12 bosses.

Keeping the patterns from TOC/TOGC


 That about covers it what I would be willing to give up to be involved in a GDKP.  I’m sure  a lot of people wouldn’t even agree to those.  But I think they are reasonable. If that was my only choice.

When the Raid Leader’s away…

An interesting dynamic happens when the person recognised as the main raid Leader  isn’t there. Unless the new or reluctant raid leader is confident enough to pull it off, and is decisive enough to quiten down the naysayers then they will get eaten alive, or have their authority threatened because every one thinks its open season on coming up with a strat, or changing what has been done for weeks.

Even I find myself opening my mouth more for a suggestion, or even a offhand comment. We react to a weakness in the leadership.   

It’s also funny how new norms seem to slip into raid strats when people are left to their own devices,  they forget the way we did things.  We were doing Cat lady last night, and 15 secs to the pull someone says ” I’m sure the priests have worked out a fearward rotation”

I go – “uh.. we only used that when we didn’t have a Shammy so no tremor totem.  We have 3 Shammys in raid, aren’t they dropping tremor totems?.”

“Oh but there is lag so you need to do it.”  Theres always freaking lag  I am thinking.

So what happens,  the four priests come up with a fear rotation because we can.  I think it was silly because its unnecessary – yes maybe it free’s up a Shammy totem,  maybe it backs up the Shammys totem,  but I don’t think they even bothered laying one. It wasn’t being used as a back up, it was the primary system, we have never needed fear wards before,  and we have only have had one raid with no Shammy.  The fear rotation worked, after asking who was tanking the boss because no one had told us,   but at no time did our stand-in raid leader make that decision.  He has been in as many raids as I have,  and he let someone else change the normal strat.

Once someone shows weakness in leadership it opens the door again for other people to make far out suggestions, change strats or question decisions.  It happened again on Iron council, ( we went back for it)   everyone was looking to do easy mode stuff, and I suggested we do medium mode,  mainly to prove that we can do it with out our normal raid leader,  because I think we should already know what to do by now regardless of who is at the helm, and because we can.  It was agreed upon, and we wiped once because someone ran though the little arcane dudes when  the last guy was at about 20% , and someone tried to change something significant to our strat,  regardless that our wipe had nothing to do with their suggestion, and then they got upset when we refuted ( nicely ) their logic. I doubt they would have made that suggestion in the tone they did if the real raid leader had been there.

Our stand-in raid leader did do well,  he has stood in before,  he just needs to get more confident.   We had a decent night, but had to stop early due to instance server restarts at 10pm our time,

I think it’s  a bad tendency but it seems almost a natural inclination that the moment we sence a weakness, or indecision in a leader – we lose respect for their authority,  and say and do things that under firm leadership we wouldn’t.

WOW Skills and Real Life Application

Hats off to the GMs that Run 25 Man raids – if you can do that in a virtual world
Working with 25 Individuals with seperate Time zones/Needs/Wants/Ages
Have them Sign up on a forum
Get them all on vent
Install all the Add on’s
Turn up as scheduled

/clap well done. You may say that people do that all the time in WOW – and your right they do – I wonder if anyone has done a survey on the real life jobs for Raiding Guild GM’s / or Raid Leaders
Are they Management – and if they aren’t should they be? They have been hiding their skillz!
Not all GM’s/Raid Leaders are great raid leaders but in the real world results are what counts. Do they get the Job done.
If the boss is down Yes –

But can they do it next time.. Thats the Farm test..

If you Google words such as Management – Gaming – Leadership Skills  – Online you not only  will you find articles on how Businesses are now looking at Role Playing games and activitys to increase Skills and Training of Staff  – You will also find Articles like this Wired 14.04 How Stephen Gillett got his job – Yes I know the article is from 2006 – but its still applicable – Accidental Learning

on a related Note: I have a Magic Macro that Wins BG’s in AB – Its a basic g1 to GM ect.. ect.. but I have it tool barred in AB – and I spam it once if there is time, and if I get a positive response, will do it again for the people who have logged in since and then we are off.. My action is a simple leadership / organisation task and it improves the chances of a Win – Yes they are generic commands, but it focus’s resources – and more often it acheives at least an intial 3 cap result – and then the fun begins..

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