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Arrogance abounds in Azeroth

I got both my tanks to 40 & 41 It means I am getting lots of tanking practise, or more how it’s become. Twice the fun.

Zahrana @ Level 41 = 75 man dungeons entered. She was in dungeons as soon as she was level 15

Brynhild @ Level 40 = 63 5 man dungeons entered. But was only in dungeons from about level 20 i think.

I was in a Ulduar run with Zahrana and these really sweet blue boots dropped off the trogg with the 1st part of the key thingy. I paused to check them against mine, and went yep. Massive upgrade. Need.

” Why did you roll need? You have boa stuff?”

” I need to wear shoes too” I say. “Would you like me to go barefoot?”
I then had enough time to type an offer to “strip down to all my boa gear”

“Oh I thought they were shoulders Chill Zah.. I’ve just had a lot of ninja’s in my groups” they explain.”

“think before you speak” I retorted. Majorly annoyed.

I pulled the next group and went on tanking. Later on, I said something, like ‘come this way’ and from the same person, got ” Wow, Arrogance abounds in Azeroth.”

“If someone accused you of being a ninja on the 3rd pull in a run wouldn’t you be pee’d off?”

“point taken.. ”

I like the LFG system – each group is full of new and exciting experience, and interactions with people – no matter the role, and I’m doing them now as Dps, Tank, and healer cross my toons, but I can go from boring to heal, to a bad tank – in a matter of 2 instances, because I can’t control the DPS in my own team.

The mobs are easy. The People are the hard part, but they are also the fun part. Especially the healer I got last night in a run, who on discovering I wasn’t taking too much damage spent the entire run philosophising about life in party chat, and replacing his s’s with z’s ” Iz a man really happy when he iz doing what he wantz” “Are we all zlaves to our own dreamz”

Maybe it is I that brings the weird out in people, and no I don’t make this stuff up.

I’m getting cocky – yes – arrogant, not quite. Hey I still admit when I get really lost, but I will tell you in capital letters DO NOT USE FEAR -as I see the wave of mobs running towards the party baying for our blood.  I try and interject some wisdom I have learned on pulls too. Hug the wall. Watch the runner on this pull.

I do get sarcastic ”  I didn’t realise rogues use spell power”   “What level do mages get decurse? Hint hint” ” Do you only have one spell on your bars?”  ( to the mage Arcane blasting all of RFK -that stuff is irritating blowing up in your face the whole time.)

I’ve refused run offers to level quicker on Zahrana, but I want to do this on my own. I know the game changes, and end game raiding, and even heroics is different then the lobie tanking I am doing, but this feels like the right way to get comfortable in tanking shoes. I mean everything that anyone can do to cause a wipe I’m seeing. I’m also paying more attention to what other tanks are doing in raids/lfg’s – cause I want at least one of these tanks to 80 before cata.

What a Satchel of Helpful goods should really be like.

Thats a DPS Que I mocked que’d for just to see what its like on the other side of the fence  – as a tank mine is practically instant.  Sometimes it varies as healers seem to have availability fluctuations in lobie instances as well.  The horror.  Making a tank wait for a healer for a whole min.

See It’s kind of unfair when chain running instances to not let the dps cycle through.     You requeing with that same tank means you stay at the front of the line, and someone elses wait is a little longer.

So I think of tanking a little as a community service,   I am helping make your wait times shorter.  Need to spread that tanking love around right?

I am getting a useless collection of crap from the Satchel of Helpful goods though.    I can’t seem to find a use for the Spellpower mail,  or wear then more than one pair of gloves at a time.

So  this is what I would like to see in my Satchel.  A couple of pieces of bread,  chance of a weapon, or a extra gold.  While I know what ever you get from a satchel is still really welfare loot, little things like maybe a health or mana pot, some stam food, chance of a novelty item  HAS to be more useful then 10 x one neck.   They don’t even vendor for much ><

Too fast – Too Slow :Let me know – Just let me pull

I rolled another  Warrior Tank over the weekend.  Zahrana  She is prot, and atm level 26, and has been doing Dungeons since 16. In heirloom Chest, Shoulders, and Weapon, and I am working on a trinket.

She is closer to home, so I can still listen to guild chat, trade chat, keep her financially viable, and geared up better than my other tank who is all alone on another realm.

I had to roll a 2nd ( sorry) because I am loving tanking, and getting to play my 1st Warrior is dependant on time zone differences, and I have been trying to be patient  but I want to see a warrior to 80, and I’m motivated now.  I intend on playing both!  They are a lot of fun.

We get plate at 40, but I don’t think that’s our strongest armor.  I’m not sure what the real armor is called, I’ve tried to come up with some names,   maybe thick skin, silent resolve, Patience, Seething rage, disparagement, it’s an armor against behaviour though,  not damage.

It’s good to be back in dungeons that I am familiar with  – and as a 2nd round of lobie tanking I have more confidence then when I first started.  I am also a little more assertive, and possibly  bordering on terse, and unfriendly on occasion.

I am saying don’t a lot. I am now zoning into each instance with a ” Too fast – Too Slow – Let me know :  but Let me pull.

Tanking adventures include

Dps pulls as we zone in.  I say ” Really…”     eg HINT HINT  Dps starts chain pulling. “oh well you don’t need me”  /leave instance

A Mage rolling need on mail greens. When asked why ”  I’ve only played this toon 3 times”  “Would you like me to explain the difference between need and greed?”  I ask trying to be helpful “Please do”  and as I am explaining in 3 lines. The Healer goes ” Just..  Pull”   

Shammy pulls, and then proceeds to tank Boss the second I zone in to party standing near the Turtle boss in BFD.  Seeing him cast I ask “What did you do to your last tank?”  “He was a retard”  they respond.   Shammy still tanking away. “Well it looks like you don’t need a tank anyway – Cya” /leave instance

“What did you do to your last tank?” I asked to a party in a WC in progress ” He had enough”  I then get whispers from the dps about the behaviour of the hunter.

”  why haven’t you done any damage in this run at all?” In Stockades,   Rogue was nearby, doing nothing, and we were working our way down a side wing, having already cleared the rooms in the front. Party goes ?    I link Metres.  Rogue hits one mob.  ‘I have too!  See!” Then proceeds to try to pull half the instance.   We survive.   He then rolls a level one on my realm to tell me to “cry more”   /ignore rogue  /ignore level 1

Perhaps I am being a little prima donna on occasion still.  If you pee me off in the first few pulls, and show me that I am going to have to fight you the whole instance for agro,  for planning, for pulling – for control – then I will leave. It’s worth the debuff. Especially since I do not have to wait for the debuff to cool down to queue up another specific instance – the extra xp and gold from completing a random  and the satchel of helpful goods is crap. Spell power mail,  4 x the same cloak or belt. Crap.Crap. Crap.

Just please, pretttttty please let me do the pulling

This tanks unladylike crime,  is not cow crack like my Tauren Warrior,  more like Human Cheek.  /shows cloak / Dons tabard  I almost changed pants when I saw the front, very glad I am not a blue haired Female Night Elf Warrior. Armor FAIL

Weekend Wrap up.

1.  I am guilded again in a raiding guild. Pugs are becoming soul draining – peoples badness, and attitude, and all sorts of terribleness have got to an intolerable point.  I wanted something stable,  with better organisation = better experience and so on.  The guild I app’d to was after a Shadow priest, and after stalking  the recruitment forums for a couple of days,  I was competing against another Shadow Priest who ended up telling  the guild to go  “suck on a d*ck nerds” – so I think I was one up on attitude anyway from the start.  We see how we go.

2. I am going to start leaving pug raids that don’t use vent.  ” We know the fights – we don’t need to use vent.”  Says the dps not killing adds/spikes  – one run was pretty frustrating because there were several guild members from one guild in the pug who all refused to get on vent, and belittled in a quite asshatteristic  ( I made a new word)  way the raid for needing it. Of course none of them  did anything bar what was necessary.  My Healing Mod / I use also for raidframes –  VuhDo has the ability to read peoples ranks in a guild as  shown in in Hots & Dots Post Fun with VuhDo and some of then can be rather amusing.  What was interesting about this raid,  was the scrolling over revealed the GM,  and some officers of the guild in the pug.  It looked like they hadn’t managed to get a guild run this week.  The Irony in addition was that their GM  was on vent, and revealed with a slip of tongue that he was ‘on both vents”  so he had been relaying the instructions back to his raiders.   So much for not needing vent .

3. My Tank is leveling slowly.  My Leveling partner is US based, so weekends have really been the only time we get to run dungeons – she is 35 and a bit now – and got annoyed at losing, not one,  but two pieces of upgrades to a Pally who had queued as DPS.  ( Two different instances – luck  meant I got him twice)   You Yank it, You Tank it talks about similar frustrations in their recent  post Main Spec Veruses Off spec in Heroics.  I guess tanks  have to gear up somehow – and maybe the level 35 dungeons are a lot less significant  than the 80’s  – but my tanking set started with chosing quest rewards,  using greens,  my profession to craft upgrades, AH bargain shopping.  I’ve been queuing as a tank since level 20, I feel like my efforts in fulfilling my role has been shat upon a little because they are getting the gear the ‘easier way’  but if they had queued as tank,  they would also be competing against DPS rolling against them.  So I guess it’s a circle.

4. My 10’s Icc is now 11/12 we had to abandon some hardmodes to get there in the time we had,  and we had two attempts on the Lich King to see the fight.  That thing/man/demon  sitting on a throne, all casual like. Looking down upon the group of adventurers with disdain.  He is the reason for Wrath.   But I got there,  before the 20% buff,  and for our 3rd week as a regular 10’s we are doing ok.  Still needing to pug one or two people  due to other commitments.

5. Ah yes  – I told my GM I blogged in my interview – It’s up to them if they tell their officers, but I get the odd person  saying Hi to me now & than  on the realm from random places, and just in case it ever got mentioned. Oh  Hi  back!   /wave   it’s ok to say hello – I shall not bite,  and I wouldn’t feel quite honest if I didn’t give them an opportunity to be aware.  I don’t think I write anything that could be considered a  PR disaster.  I also mustn’t forget that some people don’t read blogs / are aware of the community, and so just don’t care, but it matters to me.

6. The website that was selling an interview on their site for gold – has not had a single post since.  I really hope no one was silly enough to pay for it.

DPS can’t tank.

LFG has long been a endless source of material to moan and complain about – but I think I’m getting cleverer.

Inserting Witty comments and the like. Right before I leave group.

On my Healing priest –  I could see the tank was out of range because my raidframes had him out of range,  and here I see this hunter shooting at meathook.  So I heal him, and I’m  keeping him up,  and then he stops kiting, and feins,  so someone squishy starts taking damage,  and he’s a little harder to keep up,  and its all going ok untill like 20% and everyone starts dying.  That’s when they realise OMG the tank was afk and didn’t rescue them.

My Tank Brynhild is now level 30  ( and having a short break,  cause I kinda got excited and now have outleveled my leveling partner ) but I am educating the dps about not pulling in most of my runs.  It’s an important lesson to learn.

We let one die.  ( I was in cahoots with my healer) that was a bad one.  Like he had been asked, told,  Pleaded with, and he didn’t even try to bring it over.

I am somewhat patient.  They get a couple of mistakes,  but -” please don’t pull” is usually said at least once an instance.

The fun ones have been when they have gone off to other parts of the room,    ( eg 30 yards away in Gnomer) to pull, and then yell ” help”

It got so bad every time one run I was letting the healer drink  I was saying “Don’t pull”  incase they got trigger/dagger/random mage spell happy – that’s kinda funny.  The Tank having to tell them not to pull.

I asked why did you  pull

” Your too slow”

I replied “Healer had no mana”

” Oh”

I supposed if I am able to rely less on a healer.  EG  Keep a lot of Health pots on me,   I could go faster. I’ve gotten a few Oh Crap button cool downs now,  Last Stand,  Shield Wall  – so can survive a little easier.

I am finding with repetition comes a lot more confidence.  I found my Tank leading voice on my 5th or so run of Gnomer in a row.    “We are going to Jump,   aim for the middle of the Cog.”  and  now I have apparently outgrown Gnomer, so LFG has been sending me into Scarlet Monastary Graveyard.  Which is only a very short instance – I ran it four times in a row with basically the same group ( of course they were happy to requeue if the tank was)

There’s one thing that has been bothering me. I wonder if I should be displaying my Cloak? – you’ve heard of plummers crack?

This is Tauren Cow crack.

So you think that you can tank.

I think one of the main lessons I have learned about tanking so far,  is that your never going to make everyone happy.

Been told they were used to going faster.

Been told I was too fast

Been told my agro was bad  ( says the one in heirlooms aoeing)

I’ve out damaged the rest of the dps

Lobie rogues can tank, and they will.

Rogues like doing it from behind,  so you need to pull a group back so they can do their stuff and not agro the next lot.

People don’t listen when you say “Stay here”

Hunters will  autoshot and tab target

I’ve seen dps wanding the whole instance

Warrior dps  needing on spell power gear

People who pull for me

Healers I’ve had to tell to sit and drink.  ( they were OOM! ” Oh I didn’t notice..’ )

But I also understand the tunnel vision of not noticing  a healer is oom, hearing plaintive calls of ‘ I need more mana’ in the last stages of a fight.

Knowing when someone has pulled extra adds –

A pet  running off into the distance will bring what ever consequences it may.

I have learned that Cleave is stupidly slow with a 2.90 weap

Revenge rocks.

Agro is more important then damage.

Caster mobs are a pain when they are spread out.

The importance of confidence

The importance of stopping and asking for directions

/ignore saves drama

Not sure any of that is making me a better player though – if anything its just reinforced my ‘ she’ll be right mate” attitude.  Its ok. . the clothy can take a couple of hits and not die,   who cares if the hunters pet thinks its an offtank.  A couple of extra mobs just means a more fun party.   Sure pull for me,   I have a taunt button.

As my friend who has been running with me as healer on some of the runs pointed out – its all well and good now – that reckless conduct in instances may be ok now,  but it’s gonna get harder,  and they are learning really bad habits which are going to be harder to break

Tank Ergo Ego

I was told I had the ego for tanking.

and then promptly told that I wouldn’t be a good tank.

Do you need an ego to tank?   Should I roll a ‘tank’ and see?  It shouldn’t be too hard to get to level 20 and find a low level dungeon to have a go at.   Any  Druid,  Rogue, and Warrior of mine has never made it past level 14  – my Pally made it – barely.  So upset with my Pally I was – and how long it took to kill anything made me actually delete it in frustration, but I never tried to tank with her.

Someone come with me?  Preferably as a uber healer incase I let the dps die.

See I would have thought a tank ought to be quite humble. The idea of of turning my back on my entire party/raid – stick my face and weapon/claws into the immediate reach of one,  or multiple nasties – and trust that my healer will not let me die.  I see that as more a humble position, rather then a egotistical position,  you know you are going to take damage.  It’s not your job to worry about your health bar to the extent that a healer needs to worry – sure you need to know when to pop your cooldowns, but you do need to trust your healers.

 (I know your only figuratively turning your back on the raid – your camera angle should be set to show you the raid. )

See that would be my main issue – trust

If I were to tank I am just as likely to then stop and heal myself – not because I don’t ‘trust’ my healers,  but more that I would need to let go of control – and maybe thats where my ego lies.  I like control. The total abandonment of self reliance would be hard for me .  I see tanks abandon this all the time, more notably  charging up that tunnel in POS – responsibility for their own health bar – and even healer placement is nil – and I don’t think relying on other people – letting go of control of your health bar is an egotistical behaviour

I know I am posting more lately – but brain has extra things to brain dump

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