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Stuck behind the boxes in WSG with you.

A few of the rated BG’s I have been in we have been having issues with a fear bug, and our team has been getting feared into walls/stuck behind various things.  The only solution has been to life grip the person out.

I feel like I should at least spread this solution around because I don’t think some priests are aware of this. ( Shouldn’t be bugged in the first place!!)

We were doing a Rated BG, and a Horde Pally was feared by myself into the boxes in the horde flag room. My team started to kill him while laughing at him.   I told them stop ( killing him).  We left him there, and I can imagine the raging he would have been doing on his vent. We were two flags down anyway,  we weren’t going to win.

We could have killed him, and at least let him respawn,  but I figured the times I’ve needed to life grip my team out of walls, and gotten no quarter for that, there was no reason to help them.

I could have gone so far to demonstrate a life grip in front of him to put the idea in his head, but no. I could have been a better person, I assumed eventually their priest would figure it out like I had to, but knew,  that  when she left him alone,  and ran out of that room, that she didn’t know.

He was still there one horde flag room visit a few min later.

It’s kind of on moral/cheating grey ground.  The bug in this case could have been to our advantage,  and if we had won because of that I would not have felt good about it.  I will take responsibility because I verbally stopped actions that would have eventually free’d him by default, and  I explained the consequences to my team of leaving him there,  that he was stuck.

There is also this faction difference.  He was the enemy,  freeing him from the bug would have been a mercy, and I doubt he would have responded kindly by refusing to kill or heal when it came to it.  How could I free  him knowing that he could be the instrument of my own death. ( yes very melodramatic)

Would you pass a person in distress?  No

Would you look a Horde pally in the eye, knowing you could free him from his confines, and then leave him. Alone?

You may now address me as Corporal Zahraah. Obtained from BG’s that I didn’t have moral grey areas I needed to consider.

WSG: now designed for a Better Farm.

Why did they lower the Graveyards / Rez points in WSG? – I am yet to see how this benefits either side in anyway,  it is just making it easier for the opposition to farm.

One of my pet hates in BG’s is farming,  if you are in a position to farm then well you have already won the battle, and now your just torturing players.

The position of the Graveyards now,  halfway down the walls  from where they used to be prior to Patch 4.1 means you can’t escape from a GY farm in WSG

If you control the position my hunter is standing in the pic below,  you control the whole entire GY.  Before, when it used to be up top,  you could avoid it, by running alone the edge of the fence on the top,  and jump down over the tunnel entrance,  running off to the far side and sneaking down,  or even running  down the ramp.   You had a better chance of getting away.

Now the area you have to ‘defend’ to farm is much smaller, and there is no way to get away from a farm.

In addition

Pets of what seems to be all the pet classes can get up there,    Warriors with  charge,    Rogues can shadow step?, Druids can pounce,   ( have I missed any class?) and once they are up there in the enemy graveyard,  they can pick off the rezers as they rez in 2’s or threes which means it gets harder to launch a real defense.

I can’t imagine this was the Pvp that Blizz had in mind when they decided to make that change, and the only reason I can think of was to reduce potential fall damage from jumping off the GY ( hit the slant on the rock and didn’t take any)

I’ve been playing my hunter a little more and gearing her up for Pvp . The 4.1 Hunter changes gave her a bit of a damage boost,  and and I am in love with her helm from the  ilevel 352 Bloodthirsty gladiators gear.

“Do what you want, ‘cause a pirate is free,

I shall not get into the practicality of  a permanent eyepatch on a hunter.  ( but it still looks pretty cool)

She also managed to find the prettiest spider in all of Azeroth  from Darkshire. Everyone else seems to have Ugly black and brown spiders,  and the first one I found when looking for a spider was the girliest / sigh    – but me and Zip have grown attached to Squeeky  ( yes that was deliberate )  I picked up a nasty habit of using the term “Squee”  and it  seemed to fit.

I Got Justicar.

I think I am supposed to feel excited.  But its 20 ‘Lolpoints’

I mean I feel good.  Justicar Zahraah  I even had a friend come with me the last 2 flags to witness this amazing achievement of mine.

I’m not the first to get it,  and those who earned WSG rep easier back in the earlier days will not think my efforts as special,  and that’s ok.   I’ve explained my reasons for why  I chased this one before.

But honestly I thought – it would mean more to me once I had it, but my first thought after getting it was – whats next?   My 6000 odd achievement points means I have been places, done stuff – but I’ve not actively chased  even the simpler ones. 

I joked to another friend that I was 2 flags away from quitting Wow. Of course I didn’t mean it –  I’m not far off Master Of WSG  ( after all that time in there,  who would have thunk hey..   )  and besides “Love Fool”  ( on occasion) and Twilight Vanquisher ( Sar 3d before zerg!)   I think Justicar is the only title I have wanted,  and earned.

But I set a goal – went for it – and got it.  

I think I am supposed to set another one – that’s how achievements work isn’t it?

and just for the record – all the tears,  the pain,  the blood,  and the deaths

From My Statistics Page

Battlegrounds played  =  1230

Battleground played the most = Warsong Gulch (576)

Battlegrounds won = 645
Battleground won the most =  Warsong Gulch (259)

Iron man and PVP Mussings.

The Irony is I got Ironman yesterday.  The achievement where you cap the three flags in one wsg  – I’ve done 2 flags a few times, but never tried for the 3rd

I really wasn’t trying – I just wanted to win the Bg, and if no one else was gonna try,   I was.

No one else was trying for the flag,   not sure where  most of the horde were,  but I managed to survive the trip down their tunnel, cross midfield, and to cap the flag 3 times – just had to fear the horde guarding the flag room,   survive  to the speed buff in the alcove,  and go for gold – Fear, disperse, Health pot, trinket, fear.

A few people had their orphans out,   I’m assuming their lack of direction, and confusion as to what to do with an enemy nicking their flag contributed to the win.

I also feel as prompted  by a commenter on my last post to remind you in full disclosure  – that I am going after Justicar,  Exalted Rep with the three Pvp Factions.  Yes that’s an achievement – and I think probably  the only title I want to wear where I get it.

It’s been a slow journey – Counted by flags.

I’m sitting on 100 flags to go. 17472/21000 as I write this.

I enjoy Pvp – I didn’t pvp on my priest untill I was 70 – and then it was only done because I worked out I could get my first purple that way – it scared me – I was confused,  pvpers were a different breed of player,   then back in BC  there were Raiders,  Pvpers, and everyone else.

I was thinking about why I enjoy pvp,  and why there are times I don’t.

Each battleground opens up to a new random set of possibilities,  personalities,  goals,   loves, hates, frustrations,  ulterior motives and unique sets of goals.

The one thing that usually binds all of those people together is the desire to win.   Winning satisfies  all those goals – the person after a daily, after honor, or in the old days badges , the pvp achievements  they all follow the natural desire and need to win, and accomplish the goals of the BG.

Perhaps my pursuit of the 35 rep that each flag brings when capped,  requiring me to win as many WSG’s as possible to obtain  could be compared to the needs of  the School of Hard knocks – it is only an achievement after all.  Lolpoints.  My ‘need’ to win a bg is an important  as those who don’t care about winning the Bg.

Doing premades might be good for honor farming  – it might get me my single goal quicker – but then I miss out on most of the randomness – and the rising above the people who afk,  honor farm,  to accomplish,  and achieve that win.   That’s what  I love and hate  about pvp the challenge.  Even though there are been bg’s and people that have massively p’d me off – I still go back.

Maybe its hypercritical to be so vocal against the pursuit of an achievement and still chase one of my own but it’s never been the chasing of the achievement that’s the problem – just how its done so I can live with that hypocrisy.

Get the heck out of my BG

“Just let ME get my achievement “ says one person.

But it’s not just you I explain,  it’s every single person queuing for WSG this week.

If this achievement means so much to you – do it in a premade,  where you are not inflicting your decision to stuff up a game of pvp  because you have to have that  point. It’s not like you stick around for after you get the achievement – you’re the first to leave the bg because you came for what you wanted.

Don’t blame me,  it’s blizzards fault”

No. It’s your fault for not taking your achievements serious enough to actually think ahead and plan for this.   Its easier done when you have a whole team wanting to achieve what you do – or shock horror you can actually earn it as intended!

The Horde are not your friends.   Alliance if your horde are not your Allies.  We are opposing factions.  We kill each other.  Yes?

I am not going to be nice,  and say sure.  Mr 1067 player for this week so far.  You are special.  Im going to wait patiently for 25 min to win a game of WSG because your playing lets see who can drop the flag for the hordies.

Can I stop playing WSG this week because my game has been interfered with to the extent that its impossible to play a game – sure,  but it’s more fun to try and round up the people who actually care about winning,  care enough to try, care enough to play, and do it as it should be done.

If you are collaborating with the enemy so you can get another 10 points then do you even deserve to call it an achievement. Your cheating.

Yes you are.  You are cheating

You haven’t achieved anything – your kidding your self if you think you have.  You’ve not chased down an enemy flag carrier  and killed him – and if that’s how you got your achievement then you have earned, and played it as it should be.

Yes I’m Mad.

A premade of 5 does not equal team work

On entering the BG, in the flag room we were told  5 man ‘premade in vent – clear the middle we are going for flag

5 people in tandem went and got the flag – protected the flag on the way and then turtled the flag in the flag room and as far as they were concerned were doing their job by sticking unfailing to each other and the flag.

It still took us till the timer  25 min  to win with only 2 flags.  Did we win – sure.  But they were so stuck in their little group that they didn’t try to prevent our flag being taken on their way back down.  Their only goal was to get the flag.  Not kill the horde flag carrier who ran just a little to the left of their group because it wasn’t their self designation job.

When I asked was anyone trying to  go for our flag the leader said

“My Team is with me and the flag”

2 people as soon as they saw premade went and  started honor farming at the horde graveyard.  Died, and went back and did it again – so there was me going for the flag,   one person who got reported for AFK – and the last person was alternating between suicide runs and trying to hang out with the 5 to protect the flag,

Horde decided to turtle,  so getting back our flag was proving to be impossible.

The Fabulous five were being so narrow minded in their strat – and even claimed the reason for victory as being all thanks to them.

The biggest advantage that a premade on vent has over a group of pugs is that they can communicate a lot faster.  Offer reports on flag status,  incommings,  outgoing,  Yet there was no communication necessary for them.  they were like drones. It was kind of funny watching their little yellow dots on the BG map sticking so close to each other  – any information they had wasn’t communicated to the BG  – they didn’t care about what else was going on – didn’t ask who was going for the flag – or get involved in our discussion about how to get around the turtle with two people going for a flag.  They had done their job,  and that was it.

I don’t understand why  they are willing to wait 25 min a bg to win,  when they have a premade advantage and could have used that  better than having tea party’s in the flag room.

Playing with your food: HK farming.

What PVP  Cat are you?

The Battle-scarred Pvp veteran  ( Aka my Parents Cat Matilda- and yes she has no ears ) 

The Lay – In – Wait – I’m gonna gank you as often as possible just to pee you off – evil sorta cat. ( Aka my Lil Sisters cat Tally)


The I’m -gonna – lay in the Sun- and let you do all the work cat  ( Aka My cat Willow)

 One of the many things that frustrate me in a BG is the Honor Kill Farmer.

I liken Honor Kill farming to that of a predator playing with its food.   Cat’s like doing that – ( hence all the cat pictures)   The mouse runs – the cat chases down the mouse ( Sprint ) , and bats at it.   Mouse squeals ( Trinkets) and will try to escape  – and the game repeats it’s self.  In a BG the Cat will get to kill the mouse,  but because of resurrections gets to do it again, and again.  Each kill a bat with their paw.

I don’t think Honor Kill farming is honorable in any way. 

There is a difference between farming, and strategically keeping them in their place, like as a friend suggested last night when I was running this idea by him.   Keeping them on the rock on Eye of the Storm,  or back within the gate on AB is allowing  for  another event – namely time to occur so that a  tower/node  can cap.  If you let them escape from this containment your objective – to win could be in  jeopardy – and I have even conceded ( with some contention) that distracting people in the middle of WSG can be useful,  as long as it’s not being done by the whole Bg,  that the people doing it are doing it for the purpose to distract or control, and are not being nubs,  and that you have your flag carrier protected and healed up – the main objective to win is never forgotten. 

Warsong Gulch is the one game where you can control with the utmost precision as to when the misery of a losing battleground  will end for the opposition.

I’m sure any WSG veteran will have at some point suffered through  being camped at your graveyard  and your enemy are one flag away from capping a win – only to look down forlornly to see the enemy down below,  with your flag on their back laughing at you.  All the while you bitterly think “Just end it..  please..”

It is within their power to play the game out – you haven’t given up and you have been jumping off that Graveyard at all angles – trying the ramp – jumping over the tunnel exit and high tailing it down the other end,  but its hard for enough of you to get over to make a difference,  and out on the open field the flag carrier might be exposed enough for you to have a decent attempt at killing them, but no they stand there, and help farm you.  Maybe they get too cocky – and lose the flag,  then the real battle is back on, but I don’t think I have ever seen a graveyard camp fail for the oppressors.

If they can contain you in your graveyard while the flag carrier runs off to cap – it works – if they succeed ,  flag  gets capped – game over – que for next one.

I know there are times where the situation seems hopeless, I am a massive advocate  especially vocal  in BG chat – on not giving up.  Jump off the side of the rock – go round the ramp side ect THINK! Because I would really be rather trying and dying then standing there  being slaughted – that makes for lazy pvpers.  How are you supposed to learn to think strategically if you can’t think out of the graveyard.

The fault in HK farming not only lies with the people doing the farming – but also the people being farmed.   So please don’t be the flag carrier mocking the enemy – and please don’t be the person that lets the flag carrier mock you.

Yes I have been playing a lot of WSG . 




Us v Us : The Real battle in a BG

It’s been coming all the more clearer with the amount of Pvping I am doing,  that the biggest battle in a BG is not with the opposite faction,  it’s with your own team.

It’s not just the people who are unsure what they are doing, don’t know how to play.  It’s the semi premades   doing their own thing,  the afkers,  the whiners,  the hecklers.    I have been all of the above except the Afker.  It’s a battle to find that synergy between your needs and wants and that of the BG, and this can be more so seen in a 10 man per side WSG then the other Bg’s

There was a semi premade in a Bg this weekend – afking in the enemy flag room – I get there to see them all standing round,  doing nothing.  Sighing I grab the flag and try and run back failing – I die. Rez and go back again.   Pick up the flag amongst a group of three still standing there and start running again.

Bring it back” – I get a whisper from one of the afkers.
The flag bring it back – we are doing achievement
Tough” I say and keep running
F&*^K you

The little group of premades started abusing us – the rest of the Bg for not helping them in doing their achievement. At no time did they ask or inform us of their plan, or try and get the rest of the Bg in on it – Co-operation would have been better. They didn’t even try.

“It’s my thing” said one when we quizzed him how his self interest was helping the bg – and that affectively they were being as bad as the Afker we had already reported, and was a red dot following random people all over WSG
“Making sure you fail is going to be my thing” I say.

Well they failed, and we lost the BG. I didn’t feel satisfied. I wasted a BG – no rep – bare honor. I was being snarky – My goal is 19k more rep. My Armory may not show it, but I’m into the Revered bracket, and now 19k away from exalted. ( yeah for WSG holiday weekend) My goal is my ultimate thing. My thing goes along with the general consensus of the BG thing. Win. We win – we get rep – I am happy.
Their thing went against the general consensus of the BG thing. They interfered with the goals of the 7 other players in the Bg, and there was enough of them to affectively throw the match in the pursuit of their goal. If there were 8 or 9 of them going after the achievement – sucks to be the other players – majority rules – but when they weren’t a signficant part of the group I think they were unfairly affecting the goals and purpose of the other players.

If everyone did their own thing in a BG – there is no team work – and a massive decrease in the chances of winning.

If your going to do achievements that involve ruining the game of the other players.  Stop and consider going to the effort of getting up a proper premade group to do it. 

Cheers to the people who read this – and who suffered through some of those WSG’s with me this weekend.

Stop Being Bullys in BG’s

Bullying is the best word to describe some of the behaviour that goes on in a battleground, and this WSG long weekend was the worst I have seen in a long time.

Hidden behind the saftey of a computer, and  L33t speak Learn2play noob  – the disparaging comments and the unsportsmanship like behaviour that has gone on, in just the BG’s I have been in on my Shadow Priest this weekend has angered and annoyed me, and what makes it worse is that

It’s to your own team!

So much for the Spirit of Competition

“Honoring the spirits” – Uh uh
“do your best to help your team win” – You mean B*tch and Moan and complain and yell, and annoy and grind the BG down so that its no longer fun.

Blizzard have a strict harrassment policy,  but  not all bullying behaviour in a BG is reportable,  There is no T & C for Snide, or sarcastic comments, 

Buff Plz  in How to be Nice points out that Blizzard has a “how to be nice” page. I wish more people would follow it.

 So what does a Bully do?


Any of these behaviours sound familar?

one example from this weekend was
“such and Such has reported you afk type /afk to remove” while we were waiting in the flag room.

How is this bullying?

Someone is trying to manipulate through fear for you to perform an action. You are afraid that you have been reported Afk.  You know that Bliz have been cracking down on Afker’s in BGs,   your not expecting your teammate  to try and scare you into making yourself AFK.

If you do as they say and type /afk, yes you are being niave and you may learn the hard way, or someone else will make a comment in chat and you realise that its not an official message, and that the person who did it was being stupid – even if you know the so called joke – It doesn’t do good things for your competitive spirit.

Professional sportspeople will tell you that winning and losing is often in your head. Its Will, its spirit, its determination, its prevailing against all odds. Its skill, its care, If you are causing your teamates to lose their will and you haven’t even got out the gate, there is no way your going to win the game.

We lost 0/3 flags in that BG.

Other examples this weekend were.. 
“You people are S***””
“You all suck”
“Your Gear sucks”
“I really Like your weapon… Its great for a BG – and your trinkets suck too.. ”
“Maybe the flag should be carried by someone not wearing cloth”  yaddi da dah……

Besides the flag comment the rest were’t directed at me personally. ( 1. I have more Hp and survival abilities and skills that I’ve seen some tanks have. 2. If the druid is busy fighting in the middle, and no one else is there to grab it having a picnic while waiting for someone else is not practical. 3 If a squishy has support – they aren’t so squishy… Even a tank or druid will die without heals. 4. I’ve seen too many Bg’s where we hall butt to get to the opposing factions Flag room and 6 people won’t pick the flag up because they are too afraid of dropping it – cloth leather plate or mail….

“Stop being a Carebear,  People need to develop thick skin,  the world is a mean place, Its only a game,  who cares, Its not my fault they get upset. Body camping is fun!”

Yeah I know…

Im not suggesting that any of the behaviour I have seen has/would drive someone or me to self harm, but when there are real people, there are real feelings.

You don’t HAVE to be a bully. Some of its just delivery, telling people to stop fighting in the middle can be important,  but you have no idea about that individuals players battle circumstance.  Maybe they were sheeped, stunned, sapped and really have no choice.  Running away gets you killed,  , and people do get caught in a battle fever…  where there is an all out brawl on the battleground, so for everyone else its  better to run past and focus on the goal. Insulting your team is not going to make them play better/more strategically..

How do I deal with an ingame bully? – Sometimes I will call them on it,  eg. ” Stop being a bully”  If its something directed at me  in Bg chat.   /s ❤  If they are on a rant   /ignore

Feeding them will only encourage them. ( bit like forum or trade channel trolls)

Try and be nice to your fellow players…… try and offer encouragement,  and not  /bg GJ when someone has dropped a flag.

and if your really that agro. Breath, Leave the battle and take the 15 min deserter buff .

PVP Daily

I thought I’d try and do the PVP Daily before I went to bed last night, and Picked up WSG – WSG is almost as bad for a losing track record as AV is now – So I was apprehensive about the abilty to win a game before I had to log – but Im saving up 25k for the PVP spellblade,  because I now have a Offhand from Badges – and by getting spellblade and using offhand Ill be able to sqeeze an extra 53 odd + Damage. So Im 4k down and alot more to go – so Any extra Honour is a bonus.

I melted Face! –  I am so glad I now have the confidence to use Shadow Word Death now – other classes told me to stay away from it. ” Why would you use it it causes you damage.. ”   Depending on circumstances – there are times where I won’t risk it,  but its an awesome spell,  its also the best flag carrier chasing spell…   and depending on Mana pool and if I get stunned (only have 5 min cool down trinket)

As I chase them its SWP – VE – Star Shards  I keep them up, and then basically SWD each time the cool down is up – (if 2.4 improves Mana generation to the point that I can lose my Spirit Tap – Ill pick up the Stun instead and then I’ll be even more awesome!  Or at least stick some points in there. ) Mindflay is also good for slowing them down so others can get in range.

We won 2 in a row – Yeah! so not only did I get winning honour, I also got the bonus honour from the quest.  We had no afkers in either of the BG’s – No one QQ’d  – or moaned,  we communicated for the most and never gave up.! My kind of fun.  

However I have some issues with Rouges – they are the bane of my PVP existence.  They can and will do stab stab stab stab  and I die..     Depends on how good they are I can somtimes stick a sheild or a fear up inbetween being stuck,  which just means it takes that little longer to die,  and I can usually get one Dispell trinket off as well – but then they stun me and I become a pin cushion again –  but if they resist a fear too and well then – Im gone. 

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