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Us v Us : The Real battle in a BG

It’s been coming all the more clearer with the amount of Pvping I am doing,  that the biggest battle in a BG is not with the opposite faction,  it’s with your own team.

It’s not just the people who are unsure what they are doing, don’t know how to play.  It’s the semi premades   doing their own thing,  the afkers,  the whiners,  the hecklers.    I have been all of the above except the Afker.  It’s a battle to find that synergy between your needs and wants and that of the BG, and this can be more so seen in a 10 man per side WSG then the other Bg’s

There was a semi premade in a Bg this weekend – afking in the enemy flag room – I get there to see them all standing round,  doing nothing.  Sighing I grab the flag and try and run back failing – I die. Rez and go back again.   Pick up the flag amongst a group of three still standing there and start running again.

Bring it back” – I get a whisper from one of the afkers.
The flag bring it back – we are doing achievement
Tough” I say and keep running
F&*^K you

The little group of premades started abusing us – the rest of the Bg for not helping them in doing their achievement. At no time did they ask or inform us of their plan, or try and get the rest of the Bg in on it – Co-operation would have been better. They didn’t even try.

“It’s my thing” said one when we quizzed him how his self interest was helping the bg – and that affectively they were being as bad as the Afker we had already reported, and was a red dot following random people all over WSG
“Making sure you fail is going to be my thing” I say.

Well they failed, and we lost the BG. I didn’t feel satisfied. I wasted a BG – no rep – bare honor. I was being snarky – My goal is 19k more rep. My Armory may not show it, but I’m into the Revered bracket, and now 19k away from exalted. ( yeah for WSG holiday weekend) My goal is my ultimate thing. My thing goes along with the general consensus of the BG thing. Win. We win – we get rep – I am happy.
Their thing went against the general consensus of the BG thing. They interfered with the goals of the 7 other players in the Bg, and there was enough of them to affectively throw the match in the pursuit of their goal. If there were 8 or 9 of them going after the achievement – sucks to be the other players – majority rules – but when they weren’t a signficant part of the group I think they were unfairly affecting the goals and purpose of the other players.

If everyone did their own thing in a BG – there is no team work – and a massive decrease in the chances of winning.

If your going to do achievements that involve ruining the game of the other players.  Stop and consider going to the effort of getting up a proper premade group to do it. 

Cheers to the people who read this – and who suffered through some of those WSG’s with me this weekend.

Stop Being Bullys in BG’s

Bullying is the best word to describe some of the behaviour that goes on in a battleground, and this WSG long weekend was the worst I have seen in a long time.

Hidden behind the saftey of a computer, and  L33t speak Learn2play noob  – the disparaging comments and the unsportsmanship like behaviour that has gone on, in just the BG’s I have been in on my Shadow Priest this weekend has angered and annoyed me, and what makes it worse is that

It’s to your own team!

So much for the Spirit of Competition

“Honoring the spirits” – Uh uh
“do your best to help your team win” – You mean B*tch and Moan and complain and yell, and annoy and grind the BG down so that its no longer fun.

Blizzard have a strict harrassment policy,  but  not all bullying behaviour in a BG is reportable,  There is no T & C for Snide, or sarcastic comments, 

Buff Plz  in How to be Nice points out that Blizzard has a “how to be nice” page. I wish more people would follow it.

 So what does a Bully do?


Any of these behaviours sound familar?

one example from this weekend was
“such and Such has reported you afk type /afk to remove” while we were waiting in the flag room.

How is this bullying?

Someone is trying to manipulate through fear for you to perform an action. You are afraid that you have been reported Afk.  You know that Bliz have been cracking down on Afker’s in BGs,   your not expecting your teammate  to try and scare you into making yourself AFK.

If you do as they say and type /afk, yes you are being niave and you may learn the hard way, or someone else will make a comment in chat and you realise that its not an official message, and that the person who did it was being stupid – even if you know the so called joke – It doesn’t do good things for your competitive spirit.

Professional sportspeople will tell you that winning and losing is often in your head. Its Will, its spirit, its determination, its prevailing against all odds. Its skill, its care, If you are causing your teamates to lose their will and you haven’t even got out the gate, there is no way your going to win the game.

We lost 0/3 flags in that BG.

Other examples this weekend were.. 
“You people are S***””
“You all suck”
“Your Gear sucks”
“I really Like your weapon… Its great for a BG – and your trinkets suck too.. ”
“Maybe the flag should be carried by someone not wearing cloth”  yaddi da dah……

Besides the flag comment the rest were’t directed at me personally. ( 1. I have more Hp and survival abilities and skills that I’ve seen some tanks have. 2. If the druid is busy fighting in the middle, and no one else is there to grab it having a picnic while waiting for someone else is not practical. 3 If a squishy has support – they aren’t so squishy… Even a tank or druid will die without heals. 4. I’ve seen too many Bg’s where we hall butt to get to the opposing factions Flag room and 6 people won’t pick the flag up because they are too afraid of dropping it – cloth leather plate or mail….

“Stop being a Carebear,  People need to develop thick skin,  the world is a mean place, Its only a game,  who cares, Its not my fault they get upset. Body camping is fun!”

Yeah I know…

Im not suggesting that any of the behaviour I have seen has/would drive someone or me to self harm, but when there are real people, there are real feelings.

You don’t HAVE to be a bully. Some of its just delivery, telling people to stop fighting in the middle can be important,  but you have no idea about that individuals players battle circumstance.  Maybe they were sheeped, stunned, sapped and really have no choice.  Running away gets you killed,  , and people do get caught in a battle fever…  where there is an all out brawl on the battleground, so for everyone else its  better to run past and focus on the goal. Insulting your team is not going to make them play better/more strategically..

How do I deal with an ingame bully? – Sometimes I will call them on it,  eg. ” Stop being a bully”  If its something directed at me  in Bg chat.   /s ❤  If they are on a rant   /ignore

Feeding them will only encourage them. ( bit like forum or trade channel trolls)

Try and be nice to your fellow players…… try and offer encouragement,  and not  /bg GJ when someone has dropped a flag.

and if your really that agro. Breath, Leave the battle and take the 15 min deserter buff .

PVP Daily

I thought I’d try and do the PVP Daily before I went to bed last night, and Picked up WSG – WSG is almost as bad for a losing track record as AV is now – So I was apprehensive about the abilty to win a game before I had to log – but Im saving up 25k for the PVP spellblade,  because I now have a Offhand from Badges – and by getting spellblade and using offhand Ill be able to sqeeze an extra 53 odd + Damage. So Im 4k down and alot more to go – so Any extra Honour is a bonus.

I melted Face! –  I am so glad I now have the confidence to use Shadow Word Death now – other classes told me to stay away from it. ” Why would you use it it causes you damage.. ”   Depending on circumstances – there are times where I won’t risk it,  but its an awesome spell,  its also the best flag carrier chasing spell…   and depending on Mana pool and if I get stunned (only have 5 min cool down trinket)

As I chase them its SWP – VE – Star Shards  I keep them up, and then basically SWD each time the cool down is up – (if 2.4 improves Mana generation to the point that I can lose my Spirit Tap – Ill pick up the Stun instead and then I’ll be even more awesome!  Or at least stick some points in there. ) Mindflay is also good for slowing them down so others can get in range.

We won 2 in a row – Yeah! so not only did I get winning honour, I also got the bonus honour from the quest.  We had no afkers in either of the BG’s – No one QQ’d  – or moaned,  we communicated for the most and never gave up.! My kind of fun.  

However I have some issues with Rouges – they are the bane of my PVP existence.  They can and will do stab stab stab stab  and I die..     Depends on how good they are I can somtimes stick a sheild or a fear up inbetween being stuck,  which just means it takes that little longer to die,  and I can usually get one Dispell trinket off as well – but then they stun me and I become a pin cushion again –  but if they resist a fear too and well then – Im gone. 

Bg’s and QQing

I like playing Bg’s – I like playing fair BGs where there is a decent battle between both sides  and the winner Doesnt take 3 min to 5 cap.  I like a challange.  I like Melting face. 

Its attack attack – Die Rez and do it all over again.. ( with as least dying as possible ) Its fun!

However  I try and stay out of the QQing in  chat.  theres always one who starts saying ” GG”  ( good going )  when we lose a flag/base.   In a WSG match this weekend someone pipes up and says ” Why werent you all going for the flag”   I thought about it for a moment and said. ” The same reason you werent”  and he is like “?”

I  explained..  “Well you must have had a reason not to go for the flag,  and we did too. eg chasing  Horde up their tunnel trying to get our flag back.”

“Why you trying to start an argument man…  ” he says.” Im not, I reply in between dot – mindblast ” But please don’t assume we aren’t trying”

I personally think its hard to organise a tactically well done BG without Vent.  The class make up – the experience level in a Bg  its all random Communication gives you a big advantage..  and thats what most trade channel premades have ( they might lose more often but they still have abetter chance then a pug if they communicate).  

Ive been in quite a few Bgs where there are no healers..   you can’t win all the time..  but what pees me off the most is the people who are always negative – and negativity is infectious – others start thinking..  oh we suck we are going to lose.. AGAIN…     I try not to bite..  Its like troll on a forum making inflamatory statements to get a reaction.

In another BG a while ago, the Nay sayer popped  up saying stuff like..  “We always lose..  Allies Suck…”, and I said ” there is one of you in every Bg  trying to put others down so you feel better..   ”  I didnt get a good response.

And I know there are some noobs – and that you need to be flexible when setting goals in a BG..   and it depends on where your attention is.    A healers attention is  – Person going down Heal..  it doesnt necessarily matter what that persons doing – unless they are dedicated flag carrier healer..   even I try and chuck sheilds up around people when they are being attacked  – Its easy for one person to sit back and  make judgements on peoples instant decisions –  tunnel vision means that if your being attacked or attacking someone..   if you break off your attack or defence because some other event happend you likely to die..  because hardly anyone comes to someone elses aid.. 

If I had time to argue with people to following comments I would say..

” Why arent you killing the flag carrier..”   ” If I had voice chat it would be …  “well  they took  cat druid form as and they speed past I dotted them and SWD them..  but because that put me in combat I couldnt mount up  to chase untill i got out of combat and by that time they had reached the tunnel.

“Why is there no defence”   Because we were following your lead and chased up to their flag point because there was no communication before the BG as to who would do what and the one person who stayed behind was a clothy and was snuck up  by a rogue and had no chance….

“Why arent I getting any heals” ( the flag carrier)   because  you took the speed buff as you were going down their tunnel and we cant run as fast as that Buff  so all we could do was chuck a sheild on you as you ran past the healers  and wish u luck.

“Why are you fighting in the middle”  Well as I was running past not only was I sheeped.. my team mates were getting hurt so I was trying to defend them, and not die myself…

I do like BGs…     I dont like some of the people in them.

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